How Does Pipe Configuration Affect Pressure in a Fluid System?

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of gauge pressure in a fluid system consisting of a cast iron pipe with various fittings and a reservoir. Participants explore the effects of different types of losses (neglected, major only, and all losses) on pressure calculations, focusing on fluid mechanics principles and methodologies.

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  • One participant calculated the mean velocity and gauge pressure at point 1 under different loss conditions, arriving at specific pressure values for each case.
  • Another participant agreed with the initial calculations but questioned the minor head loss value, suggesting a need for arithmetic verification.
  • A third participant confirmed their own calculation of minor head loss, providing the formula used and expressing uncertainty about its correctness.
  • A later reply corrected a misunderstanding regarding the K value of the globe valve, which affected the minor head loss calculation.

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Participants generally agree on the methodology for calculating pressure but disagree on the specific value of the minor head loss, with one participant questioning the arithmetic of another. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the correct minor head loss value.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved issues regarding the arithmetic calculations for minor head loss and the correct K value for the globe valve, which may affect the overall pressure calculations.

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The system shown in the figure below consists of L = 60 m of D = 50 mm diameter cast iron pipe (k/D = 0.004), two 45° flanged long radius elbows (K = 0.25) and four 90° flanged long radius elbows (K = 0.5), a fully open flanged globe valve (K = 10) and a sharp exit (K = 1.0) into a reservoir. The elevation at point 1 Z1 = 0 m and at point 2, the free surface within the reservoir, Z2 = 5 m. The volume flow rate of water (ρ = 999 kg/m3 and µ =0.0012 Ns/m2 ) delivered by the system to the reservoir Q = 0.005 m3 /s.
Determine the gauge pressure at point 1 and:
(i) all losses within the system are neglected,
(ii) major losses only are included,
(iii) all losses within the system are included.My solution:
Firstly i calculated the mean velocity,V, by dividing the volume flow rate, Q, by the cross sectional area of the pipe which i calculated to be using the diameter,D, (1.96E-3) and therefore the velocity is 2.55 m/s.

And I calculated the pressure by using (P1-P2)=(denisty)(gravity(g))(Z2-Z1) and assumed P2 to be zero. therefore pressure 1 is 49,000.95 Pa, at loses neglected. i)

I then calculated the reynolds number of the pipe by the formula ((denistyxVxD)/(dynamic viscosity)) giving me a reynolds number of 106143.75.

Then at k/D .004 and reynolds 1E5 on the moody diagram to find a friction factor,f, of .03 which i put into the formula headloss due to friction,hfmajor, = f(L/D)((V^2)/2(g)) giving me a headloss of 11.93 m which i put into the formula P1=(density)(g)(z2+hfmajor) to give me 165917.217 pa ii)

I found the minor head loss,hfminor, by using =(k1+k2 etc.)((V^2)/2(g)) getting a headloss minor of 4.474 and plugging this back into the equation P1=(density)(g)(Z2 + hfmajor +hfminor) to get an answer of 209763.27 Pa iii)

I am posting this here as i want to ensure my methology is right as i have an exam in mechanics of fluids on monday

Thank you very much for your help
 

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teegfit said:
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The system shown in the figure below consists of L = 60 m of D = 50 mm diameter cast iron pipe (k/D = 0.004), two 45° flanged long radius elbows (K = 0.25) and four 90° flanged long radius elbows (K = 0.5), a fully open flanged globe valve (K = 10) and a sharp exit (K = 1.0) into a reservoir. The elevation at point 1 Z1 = 0 m and at point 2, the free surface within the reservoir, Z2 = 5 m. The volume flow rate of water (ρ = 999 kg/m3 and µ =0.0012 Ns/m2 ) delivered by the system to the reservoir Q = 0.005 m3 /s.
Determine the gauge pressure at point 1 and:
(i) all losses within the system are neglected,
(ii) major losses only are included,
(iii) all losses within the system are included.My solution:
Firstly i calculated the mean velocity,V, by dividing the volume flow rate, Q, by the cross sectional area of the pipe which i calculated to be using the diameter,D, (1.96E-3) and therefore the velocity is 2.55 m/s.

And I calculated the pressure by using (P1-P2)=(denisty)(gravity(g))(Z2-Z1) and assumed P2 to be zero. therefore pressure 1 is 49,000.95 Pa, at loses neglected. i)

I then calculated the reynolds number of the pipe by the formula ((denistyxVxD)/(dynamic viscosity)) giving me a reynolds number of 106143.75.

Then at k/D .004 and reynolds 1E5 on the moody diagram to find a friction factor,f, of .03 which i put into the formula headloss due to friction,hfmajor, = f(L/D)((V^2)/2(g)) giving me a headloss of 11.93 m which i put into the formula P1=(density)(g)(z2+hfmajor) to give me 165917.217 pa ii)
I agree with your calculations to this point.
I found the minor head loss,hfminor, by using =(k1+k2 etc.)((V^2)/2(g)) getting a headloss minor of 4.474 and plugging this back into the equation P1=(density)(g)(Z2 + hfmajor +hfminor) to get an answer of 209763.27 Pa iii)

I don't get the minor head loss of 4.474 m. You might want to check your arithmetic here.
 
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I rechecked my arithmetic and have calculated the same answer. I did this by:

(2(.25)+4(.5)+10+1)(((2.55)^2)/2(9.81)) = 4.4742 m
^(k values added) ^(velocity squared over 2 x gravity)

I could have this wrong
 
teegfit said:
I rechecked my arithmetic and have calculated the same answer. I did this by:

(2(.25)+4(.5)+10+1)(((2.55)^2)/2(9.81)) = 4.4742 m
^(k values added) ^(velocity squared over 2 x gravity)

I could have this wrong
Nope, it was my mistake. I thought the open globe valve had a K = 1.0 instead of K = 10.0.
 

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