Q: Fokker-Planck (Brownian motion) for undergrads?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around finding suitable references for an undergraduate physics student to understand the derivation of the mean-squared displacement of particles undergoing free Brownian motion and those held in optical traps. The focus is on identifying resources that bridge the gap between graduate-level texts and simpler documents that only present results.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks references that provide a derivation of mean-squared displacement for Brownian motion, noting that existing resources are either too advanced or too simplistic.
  • Another participant suggests a book that covers the topic from first principles to the diffusion equation, potentially suitable for undergraduates.
  • A different participant recommends "Noise and Fluctuations" by MacDonald, indicating it may be accessible to upper division undergraduates, though they acknowledge their perspective may be influenced by having read it post-graduation.
  • There is a mention of the potential value of reading Einstein's original papers, although one participant finds the reasoning difficult to follow.
  • A link to a document that appears promising for understanding the topic is shared, though its content is not elaborated upon.

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Participants do not appear to reach a consensus on a single recommended resource, indicating multiple competing views on what materials might be appropriate for the undergraduate level.

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Some participants express uncertainty regarding the readability of certain texts, particularly Einstein's original papers, and the appropriateness of various suggested resources for the intended audience.

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This discussion may be useful for educators seeking accessible references for undergraduate students studying Brownian motion and related topics in statistical mechanics and diffusion processes.

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All,

I'm looking for a reference to help guide one of my students- a motivated physics undergrad. I would like him to work through a derivation of the mean-squared displacement of a particle undergoing free Brownian motion (free diffusion) and then for a particle held in an optical trap.

All of the references I have are graduate-level, and a quick google search turns up either mathematically-oriented derivations:

http://physics.gu.se/~frtbm/joomla/media/mydocs/LennartSjogren/kap7.pdf
http://wwwf.imperial.ac.uk/~pavl/lec_fokker_planck.pdf

Or documents that merely state the results:

http://faculty.philau.edu/masoodir/PDF/Projects/Thermo/Brownian%20Motion.pdf

Does anyone have a recommendation for something midway between these two extremes?
 
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"Noise and Fluctuations" by MacDonald is another option:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/0486450295/?tag=pfamazon01-20

If I recall correctly, it should be readable by an upper division undergrad (but then I read it after grad school so my perspective may be off).

It's been awhile since I've looked at them, but I wonder how readable Einstein's original papers are ... might be inspiring to read the original, perhaps after the basic calculation is understood?

jason

EDIT:

There is also a book by Lemons that I have only flipped through - may be worth a look but I haven't read it:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/080186867X/?tag=pfamazon01-20
 
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Thanks- I'll check those out.

I pulled up Einstein's paper: the result of interest is in section 4, but the reasoning is difficult to follow (the relevant sentence reminds me of the cartoon '...then a miracle occurs"). On the other hand, this looks promising:
http://www.maths.qmul.ac.uk/~klages/people/msc_qirezi.pdf
 

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