[QM] Expectation value in spin-1/2 state

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The discussion centers on calculating the expectation value of for a spin-1/2 particle, specifically aiming for = 0 using the provided 3x3 matrix representation of . The participant struggles with the transition from spin-1 to spin-1/2 states, questioning how to apply a 3x3 matrix to a 2x1 state vector. The conversation highlights the need for clarification on the definitions and relationships between spin states, particularly regarding the normalization of the spin-1/2 state and the simultaneous measurement of and .

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Homework Statement



Basically I need to produce a state for a spin-1/2 particle such that the expectation value of <Jz> = 0 where <Jz> is for a spin-1 particle.

Homework Equations



Jz = (1 0 0, 0 0 0, 0 0 -1) <--[3x3] matrix

The Attempt at a Solution



I don't quite understand how to do this because up till now we have been trying to find expectation values for observables in same spin states.

Anyways here's my attempt:

ψ* Jz ψ = <Jz>
= ψ* (1 0 0, 0 0 0, 0 0 -1) ψ

the reason I get no further than this is because I don't see how I'm supposed to find a spin-1/2 state which would be in the form of a [2x1] matrix and then multiply the [3x3] matrix by a [2x1] matrix, what's the deal here? I'm guessing I've completely misinterpreted something but I can't see what. .
 
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can you be more precise with your question.
going from spin-1 to spin-1/2 doesn't really make sense, can you give us more context
on what your trying to do.
 
The exact question is as follows:
Produce a state of spin 1/2 particle such that when measuring <Jz> = 0, normalise that state. Can it be that at the same time <Jz> = 0 and <Jx> = 0?

It doesn't explicitly tell me that <Jz> is for a spin-one particle but I've just assumed that the J matrices are since that's what our lecturer has used as notation for spin-one particles and S for spin 1/2 particles. Hope this makes the question clearer?
 

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