QM - one-dimensional barrier - a simple step

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The discussion revolves around a quantum mechanics problem involving a one-dimensional potential barrier, specifically analyzing the behavior of particles when the energy is less than the potential (E

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  • Participants analyze the solution to the Schrödinger equation and the implications of total reflection, questioning how particles can have a non-zero probability in a classically forbidden region. There are discussions about the relationships between coefficients and the interpretation of reflection in quantum mechanics.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the concepts of reflection and tunneling in quantum mechanics. Some participants are clarifying their understanding of the relationships between wavefunction coefficients, while others are questioning the implications of the calculated reflection coefficient being unity despite the presence of a non-zero probability density in the barrier region.

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Participants reference a textbook for the calculation of the reflection coefficient and discuss the nature of quantum tunneling, indicating a potential misunderstanding of classical versus quantum behavior in the context of the problem.

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analyzing the simple-step scattering problem for E<V, we find that the solution to the schroedinger equation is:

PHI(left) = Aexp(ikx)+Bexp(-ikx)
PHI(right) = Cexp(-qx)

Continuity of the function and it's derivative at x=0 gives the relations between the parameters A, B and C.

Solving the appropriate equations we obtain

R = |B\A|^2 = 1
meaning that there is total reflection; hence the transmission must be zero.

But if we calculate the probability of finding a particle, say in the interval a<x<2a, we get a non-zero probability (because PHI(right) does not venish).
How is it possible, if every particle must be reflected?
 
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maria clara said:
Solving the appropriate equations we obtain

R = |B\A|^2 = 1
meaning that there is total reflection; hence the transmission must be zero.

But if we calculate the probability of finding a particle, say in the interval a<x<2a, we get a non-zero probability (because PHI(right) does not venish).
How is it possible, if every particle must be reflected?
If you obtain a reflection value of one then you have incorrectly determined the coefficients and/or the R value.
 
The calculation of R is taken from a book, there shouldn't be a mistake there.

And this is also a quotation from the book:
"In classical physics region 2 is a "forbidden" domain. In quantum mechanics, however, it is possible for particles to penetrate the barrier."

Region 2 is the region of the step (where V=V0).
 
maria clara said:
The calculation of R is taken from a book, there shouldn't be a mistake there.
Then you must have incorrectly determined the relationships between the coefficients and/or wave numbers. What is the formula you have for the R value?
maria clara said:
And this is also a quotation from the book:
"In classical physics region 2 is a "forbidden" domain. In quantum mechanics, however, it is possible for particles to penetrate the barrier."

Region 2 is the region of the step (where V=V0).
That is correct...
 
R = |B\A|^2 = |(1-iq/k)/(1+iq/k)| = 1

Anyway, if the particles can penetrate the barrier, it's logical that the probability to find a particle in a certain interval on the "other side" is non-zero;
But still R=1. Does it mean that the particles are actually reflected from the inside of the barrier?
 
maria clara said:
R = |B\A|^2 = |(1-iq/k)/(1+iq/k)| = 1
Sorry my bad, I thought you were talking about the case where E>V. In the case where E<V, then yes, the R value is unity.
maria clara said:
Anyway, if the particles can penetrate the barrier, it's logical that the probability to find a particle in a certain interval on the "other side" is non-zero;
But still R=1. Does it mean that the particles are actually reflected from the inside of the barrier?
So yes, although the wavefunction is 'totally reflected' at the boundary, if we calculate the probability density inside the potential step, we find it to be non-zero. Therefore, even though the entire wavefunction is reflected, there is still some non-zero probability to find the particles inside the potential. This is what is referred to as tunnelling.
 
thanks:smile:
 
What Hootenanny said in different words:

Very roughly, unlike classical reflection, the position at which quantum reflection occurs is uncertain; the particle can sometimes penetrate into the forbidden region before being reflected.
 

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