Quadrupole Moment: Definition & Explanation

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The discussion revolves around the definition and explanation of the quadrupole moment in physics, focusing on its mathematical representation and the conditions under which it is applied. Participants reference various sources, including textbooks and Wikipedia, to clarify the notation and relationships involved.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether \(\delta_{i,j}\) refers to the Kronecker delta and presents a relation for the quadrupole moment, \(Q_{i,j}=\frac{3}{2}eQ_0(x_ix_j-\frac{1}{3}\delta_{i,j})\).
  • Another participant confirms that \(\delta_{i,j}\) is indeed the Kronecker delta but suggests that the initial relation is incorrect, proposing an alternative form: \(Q_{i,j}=\frac{3}{2}Q_0(\delta_{i,3}\delta_{j,3}-\frac{1}{3}\delta_{i,j})\) for a symmetric quadrupole aligned along the z-axis.
  • A later reply references a formulation from Landau's "Non-relativistic Quantum Mechanics," stating \(Q_{i,j}=\frac{3}{2}Q_0(n_in_j-\frac{1}{3}\delta_{i,j})\), where \(n_i, n_j\) are components of a unit vector.
  • One participant claims that their formula is a reduction of Landau's when the unit vector \(n\) is aligned in the z direction.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the correct formulation of the quadrupole moment, with no consensus reached on the accuracy of the initial relation presented. Multiple competing formulations are discussed without resolution.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights potential limitations in the mathematical representations and assumptions regarding the alignment of the quadrupole moment, as well as the specific conditions under which these formulations apply.

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In wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quadrupole

Is this \delta_{i,j} Kronecker delta?

In my notebook I have relation:

Q_{i,j}=\frac{3}{2}eQ_0(x_ix_j-\frac{1}{3}\delta_{i,j})

When direction of external field are the direction of symmetry axis Q=Q_0.

In which book I can find more about this?
 
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Petar Mali said:
In wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quadrupole
Is this \delta_{i,j} Kronecker delta?
In my notebook I have relation:
Q_{i,j}=\frac{3}{2}eQ_0(x_ix_j-\frac{1}{3}\delta_{i,j})
When direction of external field are the direction of symmetry axis Q=Q_0.
In which book I can find more about this?
\delta_{i,j} is the Kronecker delta.
The relation from your notebook is not quite right. It should be
Q_{i,j}=\frac{3}{2}Q_0(\delta_{i,3}\delta_{j,3}-\frac{1}{3}\delta_{i,j})
for a symmetric quadrupole aligned along the z (or 3) axis, having quadrupole moment Q_0.
There is a full discussion of quadrupoles in Section 2.4 of Franklin, "Classical Electromagnetism" (AW.com).
 
Thanks! :smile:
 
Meir Achuz said:
\delta_{i,j} is the Kronecker delta.
The relation from your notebook is not quite right. It should be
Q_{i,j}=\frac{3}{2}Q_0(\delta_{i,3}\delta_{j,3}-\frac{1}{3}\delta_{i,j})
for a symmetric quadrupole aligned along the z (or 3) axis, having quadrupole moment Q_0.
There is a full discussion of quadrupoles in Section 2.4 of Franklin, "Classical Electromagnetism" (AW.com).

I found that in "Non relativistic quantum mechanics" of Landau. There is formulation:
Q_{i,j}=\frac{3}{2}Q_0(n_in_j-\frac{1}{3}\delta_{i,j})

where n_i,n_j are components of unit vector \vec{n}.
 
My formula is the reduction of Landau's when the unit vector n is in the z direction.
 

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