Quantifying Transparency in Materials: A Physical Approach | Resources Included

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around quantifying transparency in materials, particularly in relation to light transmission and scattering. Participants explore the physical parameters that influence transparency, including surface smoothness and material properties, while seeking resources for further understanding.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how to quantify transparency beyond standard optics, suggesting that factors like surface smoothness and material type should be considered.
  • Another participant proposes that surface roughness (Ra) could be a measurable factor affecting transparency, though they express uncertainty about its integration with standard optics theory.
  • A suggestion is made to investigate "transmitted wavefront" as a potential area of relevance.
  • A later reply refines this to "transmitted wavefront error," indicating uncertainty about its applicability to the original question.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying degrees of uncertainty about the factors influencing transparency and how they relate to established optics theory. No consensus is reached on the specific parameters or their measurement.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on definitions of transparency and surface roughness, as well as the potential separation of surface and internal media effects.

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Hi there.

I was recently working out some expressions in Electro-Dynamics, to calculate reflexion and transmission coefficients. Ok, I reach some Fresnel equations. However, real materials are not so perfect, in sense that they are perfect surfaces, with perfect everything. So, I wonder how this kind of topic is treated: what mainly distinguish an "opaque glass" transmission, where the light is transmitted with a lot of scattering in that way (that I cannot better explain than saying like opaque glass), or well polished glass, where the light scattering scarce. Physically speaking, how can I quantify transparency, having in account not only I.O.Refraction, but surface smoothness, "kind of material used" (opaque metal or glass), etc. Which mean: what are the minimum (Physical and experimental measured) parameters, that define transparency of any material?

Where can I find that kind of physical approach? (bibliography)

Thank you very much,
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Am I partially answering your question if I I say that surface "perfection" can be measured by quantifying the roughness Ra?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surface_roughness

It's measurable, and it affects transparency, but I'm not sure how it fits in with standard optics theory. Surface and internal media probably have to be treated separately. I think Ra can only be part of the answer (if it even is).

In any case, I'll be interested in other answers.
 
try looking up "transmitted wavefront"
 
I probably should have said "transmitted wavefront error", but I'm not even sure that's what you're looking for. oh well...
 

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