Quantum Harmonic Oscillator necessary DE

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the mathematical treatment of the quantum harmonic oscillator, specifically focusing on the differential equation ψ"-(y^2)ψ=0 and the nature of its solutions. Participants explore methods for deriving solutions, including the use of power series and the rationale behind selecting specific forms for solutions.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes the solution ψ=(y^m)*e^((-y^2)/2) is presented without derivation in their textbook and questions whether it can be algebraically solved or logically derived.
  • Another participant suggests that guessing the general shape of the solution is a practical approach, leading to the exponential form e^(-y^2/2) and modifications to include polynomial factors.
  • A participant expresses skepticism about the validity of the guessing method and inquires whether a series solution could be applicable.
  • It is mentioned that a finite power series can be used to find discrete eigensolutions, emphasizing that the factorization of the exponential term is justified by the behavior of the differential equation at infinity.
  • One participant reflects on the prevalence of differential equations in physics and the necessity of developing comfort with methods that may seem like guessing.
  • There is a discussion about the terminology used in scientific problem-solving, suggesting that "thoughtful selection of a suitable ansatz" may be preferable to the term "guess." This highlights a broader conversation about the language of science and problem-solving approaches.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the appropriateness of the guessing method in deriving solutions, with some advocating for its use while others seek more rigorous approaches. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best method for solving the differential equation.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexity of the differential equation and the potential for multiple methods of solution, including power series and ansatz approaches. There is an emphasis on the behavior of solutions at infinity, which may influence the choice of methods.

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I was reading through my Principles of Quantum Mechanics textbook and arrived at the section that discusses the quantum harmonic oscillator. In this discussion the equation ψ"-(y^2)ψ=0 presents itself and a solution is given as ψ=(y^m)*e^((-y^2)/2), similar to a gaussian function i assume. My book has given no derivation that yielded this answer it only supplied it, so my question is if an answer of this sort can be algebraically solved for, or what kind of logic would lead to such an answer. Thank you in advance for any responses.
 
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Guessing the general shape of the solution is the easiest way here: The second derivative is the function, multiplied by y. This leads to the approach ##e^{-y^2}## (with the minus to let it get smaller for large y).
If you calculate derivatives of that, you get a lot of factors of 2y. To cancel the 2, you can modify the function to ##e^{-y^2/2}##, and then you can multiply it with a sum of y^m to get a solution.
 
Thank you, it's just hard for me to accept this guessing method as I go further into physics, i just can't help but believe that there exists a way to explicitly solve this equation. Would a series solution work for this type?
 
A power series does work, but after you factor out the exp(-y2/2). Not just any power series but a finite power series, i.e. a polynomial. Which is what you need in order to find discrete eigensolutions.

This is not guesswork - you can justify the factorization by thinking about the DE's behavior near infinity. But in practical terms the reason you don't just start chugging away on a power series is that you'll get a three-term recurrence formula.
 
thank you for your guidance I think i may have worked out something that satisfies my ocd.
 
mjlist16 said:
Thank you, it's just hard for me to accept this guessing method as I go further into physics, i just can't help but believe that there exists a way to explicitly solve this equation.

It's not physics that requires this sort of guessing, it's solving differential equations that does. However, you'll come across <understatement>a lot</understatement> of differential equations in physics... so you might as well get used to it.

Some people find the term "guess" to be somewhat pejorative, and even below the dignity of any serious scientist. You can always use the phrase "thoughtful selection of a suitable ansatz" instead, and vary it by substituting "brilliant", "inspired", "clever" for "thoughtful" as needed.

I've never seen a derivation of the Schwarzschild solution that used the word "guess", but I've also never seen one that didn't start with an ansatz. :smile:
 
Nugatory said:
Some people find the term "guess" to be somewhat pejorative, and even below the dignity of any serious scientist. You can always use the phrase "thoughtful selection of a suitable ansatz" instead, and vary it by substituting "brilliant", "inspired", "clever" for "thoughtful" as needed.
If it works once, it's a trick. If it works twice, it's a method.
 

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