Quantum Mechanics - Finding expectation value

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The discussion revolves around finding the expectation value of position as a function of time in the context of quantum mechanics. The original poster presents equations related to wave functions and attempts to compute the expectation value using integrals.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster initially attempts to calculate the expectation value using an incorrect formula, leading to confusion about the time dependence of the result. After realizing the mistake, they reformulate the expectation value but still encounter difficulties with the integration process. Some participants question the handling of sine functions and the inclusion of specific terms in the integrand.

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Participants are actively engaging with the original poster's attempts, providing insights into the mathematical steps involved. One participant highlights a missing factor in the integrand that could affect the time dependence of the expectation value, suggesting that the discussion is moving towards clarifying the correct approach.

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There is an acknowledgment of the use of computational tools like WolframAlpha, and the original poster expresses frustration with the integration results leading to zero, indicating potential misunderstandings in the setup or execution of the problem.

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Homework Statement



Find the expectation value of position as a function of time.

Homework Equations



This is in the latter half of a multi-part question, previously we were given that:

Eqn 1: Ψ(x, t) = A(ψ1(x)e−iE1t/h¯ + iψ2(x)e−iE2t/h¯)

and in an even earlier part:

Eqn 2: ψn(x) = sqrt(2/L)sin(n*pi*x/L)

Note: h¯ = hbar

The Attempt at a Solution



As you can tell, I'm not too awesome at formatting on here so I'm going to quickly explain my method.

I said:

<x> = Integral from 0 to L of Ψ*(x, t)Ψ(x, t) dx

So I told wolframalpha (we're allowed to use it) to simplify Eqn 1, before subbing in Eqn 2.

This gave me:

Eqn 3: -2(ψ1ψ2sin(t(E1-E2)/h¯) + ψ12 + ψ22

I then subbed in Eqn 2 into Eqn 3 and integrated.

No matter how many times I do this I always end up with a bunch of sines. These sines are all something like sin(n*pi/L) so when I sub in the limits of integration they become sin(n*pi) or sin(0), both of which are 0!

This means that I'm just left with an answer of 2, which is not time dependent.

Can anyone see where I've gone wrong?
 
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Okay so I just found out I've had the formula wrong from the start. FML.

It's now:

<x> = Integral from 0 to L of Ψ*(x, t)xΨ(x, t) dx

However, this still didn't help me.

I'm now left with:

A2(L - L/(2pi2) + L/(4pi2) + L/(16pi2))

And I am thoroughly sick of this.
 
What happened to the factor of [itex]\sin\left[\frac{(E_1-E_2)t}{\hbar}\right][/itex]?

After you multiply the integrand out, you should have
\begin{align*}
\langle x \rangle &= A^2\int_0^L \left(x\psi_1^2(x) + x\psi_2^2(x) - 2x\psi_1(x)\psi_2(x) \sin [(E_1-E_2)t/\hbar]\right)\,dx \\
&= A^2\left(\int_0^L x\psi_1^2(x)\,dx + \int_0^L x\psi_2^2(x)\,dx - 2\sin [(E_1-E_2)t/\hbar]\int_0^L x\psi_1(x)\psi_2(x)\,dx\right)
\end{align*}
As long as that last integral isn't 0, the expectation value will vary with time.
 
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