Quantum Phenomena question: Estimating Lifetime of Unstable Particle

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The discussion revolves around estimating the lifetime of an unstable particle produced in a high-energy collision, with a focus on the implications of Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle. Participants explore the relationship between mass uncertainty and particle lifetime, considering the principles of quantum mechanics and special relativity.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the application of Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle, particularly the relationship between position, momentum, time, and energy. There is uncertainty about how to interpret the variable "p" in the context of mass uncertainty, with some suggesting it may represent a probability-related fraction.

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Some participants have provided guidance on interpreting the problem and relating mass uncertainty to energy uncertainty. There is ongoing exploration of the correct formulation of equations, with some participants questioning their assumptions and calculations. The discussion reflects a mix of interpretations and attempts to clarify the relationships involved.

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Participants express uncertainty regarding the definitions and relationships of variables in the problem, particularly the interpretation of "p" and its relation to mass. There is mention of feedback from external sources indicating potential errors in calculations, contributing to the ongoing dialogue about the correct approach.

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Homework Statement


Hi, I'm fairly new to these forums and I'm stuck on a problem. Just wondered if anyone could give me any hints or tips on how to get started on the following question:
An unstable particle produced in a high-energy collision has a mass of m and an uncertainty in mass that is p of the particle's mass. Estimate the liftime of the particle.

Homework Equations



I am assuming this question has something to do with Heisenbergs Uncertainty Principle. i.e
\Delta x*\Delta p >= \hbar where p is momentum and x is some distance
From the information given I assume I have to use the above formula to get:
\Delta x*(p/m)*v >= \hbar ...? where p/m is the uncertainty in the mass described in the question

The Attempt at a Solution


As I said at the beginning I don't really know how to get started on this question, and thus the derived relationship above is all I have managed to come up with thus far. I am beginning to think that this question requires me to calculate the energy of the particle by calculating the minimum uncertainty on the momentum (i.e (p/m)*V). If the equation that I have formulated so far is correct, what am I supposed to use for delta x? From the information given I cannot see any way to deduce this. Any indication on whether I am on the right lines here or any other help would be very much appreciated. Thanks in advance, Kam.
 
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Can anyone please give me an idea whether I am heading in the right direction here, or indicate to me that I need to show more working before anyone will assist me further? Thanks.
 
superkam said:
Can anyone please give me an idea whether I am heading in the right direction here, or indicate to me that I need to show more working before anyone will assist me further? Thanks.

Okay, I'll bite. You are correct that this is related to Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle.

You are also correct that position and momentum are canonical conjugates under the uncertainty principle. But I don't think that position and momentum are related to this problem.

Time and Energy are also canonical conjugates under the uncertainty principle. Also, from special relativity, an uncertainty in mass is the same thing as uncertainty in energy. :wink:

I don't think "p" here (originally from the problem statement, "...uncertainty in mass that is p of the particle's mass...") refers to momentum. Rather I suspect that it refers to a probability related fraction. For example, if due to uncertainty, the particle's mass can vary by 25%, interpret the problem statement as saying "...uncertainty in mass that is 0.25 of the particle's mass..."

From that, you should have the information necessary to estimate the lifetime of the particle.

[Edit: and I suspect that you are supposed to express your answer in terms of 'p' and 'm']
 
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collinsmark said:
Okay, I'll bite. You are correct that this is related to Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle.

You are also correct that position and momentum are canonical conjugates under the uncertainty principle. But I don't think that position and momentum are related to this problem.

Time and Energy are also canonical conjugates under the uncertainty principle. Also, from special relativity, an uncertainty in mass is the same thing as uncertainty in energy. :wink:

I don't think "p" here (originally from the problem statement, "...uncertainty in mass that is p of the particle's mass...") refers to momentum. Rather I suspect that it refers to a probability related fraction. For example, if due to uncertainty, the particle's mass can vary by 25%, interpret the problem statement as saying "...uncertainty in mass that is 0.25 of the particle's mass..."

From that, you should have the information necessary to estimate the lifetime of the particle.

[Edit: and I suspect that you are supposed to express your answer in terms of 'p' and 'm']

Ok I will take on board what you have said and I will try and solve this problem. I did not know that the uncertainty principal could be related to time and energy. Thank you for your help :)
 
Ok so I now have the equation \Delta t \Delta E = \hbar
I have used the equation E = mc^2 and substituted the values into the Heisenberg equation to get:
\Delta t = hm/(2 \pi c^2 p)
However mastering physics is saying that this answer is incorrect :(
 
Check your formula. Is m at the proper place? ehild
 
ehild said:
Check your formula. Is m at the proper place? ehild

Hi, I used the value p/m for the mass as I assumed this would represent the ratio of the uncertainty of the mass to the actual mass of particle. When I divide through by (p/m)c^2 (In the Heisenberg equation) doesn't the m go to the top? Or have I got my relationship between p and m wrong, should the uncertainty in the mass be p*m not p/m? Thanks.

[EDIT Problem solved, thanks!]
 
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[EDIT Problem solved, thanks!]
Glad you have solved it. Here is a tip for the future:

superkam said:
Hi, I used the value p/m for the mass as I assumed this would represent the ratio of the uncertainty of the mass to the actual mass of particle. When I divide through by (p/m)c^2 (In the Heisenberg equation) doesn't the m go to the top? Or have I got my relationship between p and m wrong, should the uncertainty in the mass be p*m not p/m? Thanks.
Units are your friend! :smile: p/m does not have units of mass; p*m does have units of mass. (As long as you realize that p is unitless.)
 

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