I thought this up as a result of a philosophical debate over existance and more specifically creation. I asked them to give an example of creation saying that what we usually see as creation/destruction is only change, a restructuring. (ie. table being destroyed is actually a release of energy and redistribution of mass). Someone said "Virtual Particles!" So I'm wondering if they exist. In trying to find out by myself I think it's true that we honestly don't know. They are either tools we have for describing reality, or actual varible particles. Something I stumbled on was quantum superpostion. ie. quantum wave interference. I wonder, if you could (hypothetically) calculate the interference for the entire universe as one thing what would you get? In other words calculate the interference of the waves in a quantum echancial system that is the entire universe (all things). I bet it's a line and results in a determinable universe! Problem is we can't do that. What do you think? To me it makes sense that if you expect to retain absolute determinability you have to have absolute knowledge. We don't notice it so much on large scale classic mechanics because the error is so small, but quantum mechanics is so small that the error is massive (to the point of indeterminability) if you lack complete information. Perhaps if we could compute the quantum superpostion for a a whole classic system as it would appear in quantum mechanics it would render a similar level of accuracy to the classical counterpart. We can't even do that. eh? eh?