Quantum thermodynamics of single particle

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The discussion revolves around the concept of defining temperature for a single particle, atom, or molecule within the framework of quantum thermodynamics. Participants explore how to model the exchange of energy between a single quantum system and a thermal reservoir at a specified temperature, addressing both theoretical and conceptual aspects.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether it is possible to define a temperature for a single particle and seek clarification on how this can be achieved.
  • One participant suggests that the density matrix can be expressed as $$\rho=e^{-H/kT}$$, where ##H## is the single-particle Hamiltonian.
  • Another participant points out a different formulation of the density matrix as $$\rho = \frac{e^{-H/kT}}{Z}$$, raising questions about the differences between these definitions.
  • There is a discussion about the necessity of the statistical operator having a trace of 1, leading to the canonical ensemble representation of the density matrix.
  • One participant inquires about the derivation of the canonical statistical operator from the maximum entropy principle, indicating a connection to the expectation value of energy.
  • Another participant expresses uncertainty about the applicability of these concepts to single systems, such as single atoms or molecules.
  • A later reply clarifies that the operator $$\hat{\rho} = \frac{e^{-\beta \hat{H}}}{Z}$$ is not meaningful for pure states, emphasizing that equilibrium states are only pure at absolute zero temperature.
  • Participants discuss the implications of using a canonical distribution for a single particle in a heat bath, questioning the relevance of mixed states in this context.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the definition of temperature for single particles and the applicability of the canonical ensemble. There is no consensus on the interpretation of the density matrix in relation to pure and mixed states, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these concepts.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations are noted, such as the dependence on definitions of temperature and the conditions under which the density matrix is applicable. The discussion also highlights unresolved mathematical steps related to the derivation of the canonical ensemble.

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Hello everybody,

I have two questions:

1) Is it possible to define a temperature for single particle (or atom or molecule)? If so, how?

2) How to model with quantum Hamiltonian an exchange of energy between a single atom (or molecule) and a reservoir at given temperature ##T## ?

Thank you everybody.

Konte
 
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Konte said:
1) Is it possible to define a temperature for single particle (or atom or molecule)? If so, how?
2) How to model with quantum Hamiltonian an exchange of energy between a single atom (or molecule) and a reservoir at given temperature TTT ?
What are your thoughts?
 
Bystander said:
What are your thoughts?
I don't understand your answer.
 
Konte said:
1) Is it possible to define a temperature for single particle (or atom or molecule)? If so, how?
Yes, by taking
$$\rho=e^{-H/kT}$$
where ##H## is the single-particle Hamiltonian.
 
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Demystifier said:
Yes, by taking
$$\rho=e^{-H/kT}$$
where ##H## is the single-particle Hamiltonian.
Thank you for your answer.
I still have question:
- in this post https://www.physicsforums.com/threa...echanics-and-temperature.426455/#post-2869963, the forumer xerma mentioned a ##\rho = \frac{e^{-H/kT}}{Z}##. What is the difference between those two definitions of ##\rho## (that I suppose both density matrix operator) ?

Thank you very much.
 
The latter formula is correct. The statistical operator must be of trace ##1##. Thus the statistical operator of the canonical ensemble is
$$\hat{\rho}=\frac{1}{Z} \exp(-\beta \hat{H}), \quad Z=\mathrm{Tr} \exp(-\beta \hat{H}), \quad \beta=\frac{1}{k_{\text{B}} T}.$$
 
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vanhees71 said:
The latter formula is correct. The statistical operator must be of trace ##1##. Thus the statistical operator of the canonical ensemble is
$$\hat{\rho}=\frac{1}{Z} exp(−\beta H),\,\,Z=Tr \,\, exp(−\beta \hat{H}),\,\,\beta=\frac{1}{k_BT}$$​

Thank you for your answer.
How to demonstrate this expression of ##\hat{\rho}##?
Because, after searching, I always have another alternative form ##\hat{\rho}= \sum_i p_i | \psi_i \rangle \langle \psi_i|##

Thanks.

Konte
 
This expression you get from the maximum entropy principle. If you look for all statistical operators that lead to a given expectation value ##U=\mathrm{Tr} (\hat \rho \hat{H})## of the energy and minimize the entropy,
$$S=-k_{\text{B}} \mathrm{Tr} \hat{\rho} \ln \hat{\rho},$$
you get to the canonical statistical operator (of course you need the normalization ##\mathrm{Tr} \hat{\rho}=1## as another constraint).

The "alternative form" is just the expansion of the statistical operator in terms of its eigenvectors. Note that there can be also generalized eigenvectors if the operator has a continuous spectrum.
 
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@vanhees71
Ok, thank you for this interesting answer. Could you indicate me some lectures that can help to understand and make it clearer for a novice as me, please?
I suppose, all of those concepts are valid and applicable for the case of a single system (like single atom or single molecule) ?

Thanks.
Konte
 
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Well, these are very general concepts. My favorite book, using the information-theoretical approach, is

A. Katz, Principles of Statistical Mechanics, W. H. Freeman and Company, San Francisco and London, 1967.

Very good is also Landau&Lifshitz, vol. 5 or Reif.
 
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vanhees71 said:
Well, these are very general concepts. My favorite book, using the information-theoretical approach, is

A. Katz, Principles of Statistical Mechanics, W. H. Freeman and Company, San Francisco and London, 1967.

Very good is also Landau&Lifshitz, vol. 5 or Reif.

Thanks a lot.

Konte
 
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Hello,

I'm back, just because a little doubt persist on my understanding:
Is the operator ##\hat{\rho} = \frac{e^{-\beta \hat{H}}}{Z}## still meaningful even for describing a pure state?
Thanks

Konte
 
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Of course not. An equilibrium state is only a pure state for ##T \rightarrow 0##. Note that using the equilibrium (canonical) distribution means that you look at a single particle within a heat bath at temperature ##T##!
 
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vanhees71 said:
Note that using the equilibrium (canonical) distribution means that you look at a single particle within a heat bath at temperature ##T##!

Thank you,

So even for a single particle within a heat bath at ##T##°, the concept of mixed states is meaningful?

In other words, single particle is describable as a canonical ensemble once it is "surrounded" by a heat bath at fixed ##T##° (equilibrium)?

Konte.
 

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