Quantum vs. Classical Mechanic graphing

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between Classical and Quantum Mechanics, specifically focusing on the correspondence of graphs representing Potential and Kinetic Energy as functions of position (x). The scope includes theoretical exploration and conceptual clarification regarding the use of potentials in both frameworks.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that in classical mechanics, particles create and are influenced by potentials, suggesting a consistency in how potentials are represented.
  • Others argue that while the potential in the Schrödinger equation is mathematically the same as in classical mechanics, the interpretation and implications differ significantly, especially when considering the wave function of particles.
  • A participant questions whether the equivalence of potentials holds true only at high energy levels in quantum mechanics, where wave behavior may resemble classical behavior.
  • Another participant provides an example of a harmonic oscillator potential, V(x)=\frac{1}{2} k x^2, to illustrate that the same potential can be used in both classical and quantum contexts without modification, despite differing procedures and interpretations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of potentials in classical versus quantum mechanics. While there is some agreement on the mathematical form of potentials, the implications and interpretations remain contested.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the conditions under which the correspondence of potentials holds, particularly in relation to energy levels and the behavior of wave functions.

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Hey, I am curious if there's a correspondence between Classical and Quantum Mechanics graphs in terms of Potential (or kinetic) Energy as a function of x, aside from equations?
 
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In classical mechanics, particles cause potentials and particles are also affected by potentials. So there some kind of a consistency between them because a particle which is affected by another particle's potential field, can itself have a similar potential field. There are only some cases where you can have potentials which aren't related to some kind of a usual particles configuration, like a uniform electric field which can be caused only by charges at infinity.
But in QM, things are different. The potential used in the Schrödinger's equation is the same as the potential used in classical mechanics and so there is no difference in that sense. But if you want to know the electric potential field of an electron, then things get different. You should use the modulus squared of the electrons' wave function(times -e) as the charge density and find the electric potential but that depends on the wave function's form and so things are very different from classical mechanics here.So different that there can be no comparison in the way you want! Also the consistency I mentioned in the case of classical mechanics isn't present here and I think that's one important reason that pushed physicists for formulating Quantum theories for fields.
In QFT things are even more different!
 
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Thanks for the info! Btw, if you don't mind, could you pls expand on:

Shyan said:
The potential used in the Schrödinger's equation is the same as the potential used in classical mechanics and so there is no difference in that sense.

I thought that it only applied in the case where energy level (n) in the QM is very large to the point the wave behaves more like Classical than Quantum Mechanics?
 
I think its better to explain in using an example. Consider a particle in the potential [itex]V(x)=\frac{1}{2} k x^2[/itex]. As you can see, there is nothing here that tells us we want to do it classically or quantum mechanically. That's exactly what I mean. The procedures, equations, interpretations and solutions are different, but the potential is the same!
You use [itex]V(x)=\frac{1}{2} k x^2[/itex] for solving the classical problem and when you want to solve the quantum mechanical problem, you use the same thing and you do nothing to make it quantum mechanical!
 
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Ok, thanks!
 

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