Quantum vs. Classical Mechanics in Differential Element Analysis

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The discussion revolves around the consideration of quantum effects versus classical mechanics when analyzing differential elements, particularly in the context of deriving the heat diffusion equation. Participants explore the implications of using classical mechanics at macroscopic levels and question the relevance of quantum mechanics in such analyses.

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  • One participant questions why quantum effects are not considered in differential element analysis, particularly in the context of energy conservation in the heat diffusion equation.
  • Another participant requests clarification and examples regarding the initial question about differential elements.
  • A third participant provides an example related to satellite motion, suggesting that at macroscopic levels, quantum calculations may not yield significant advantages over classical mechanics, as the differences in energy levels are minimal.
  • This participant notes that in their experience, classical mechanics and quantum mechanics yield similar results for macroscopic events.

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Participants express differing views on the relevance of quantum mechanics in differential element analysis. There is no consensus on whether quantum effects should be included in such analyses.

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Some assumptions about the scale of analysis and the applicability of quantum mechanics versus classical mechanics remain unresolved. The discussion does not clarify the specific conditions under which quantum effects might be relevant.

Meet Gandhi
When we take a differential element for analysis why don't we consider quantum effects and only consider classical mechanics to solve the problem?
 
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Can you elaborate, perhaps with an example, of what you are asking about with differential elements. I would rather not speculate.
 
scottdave said:
Can you elaborate, perhaps with an example, of what you are asking about with differential elements. I would rather not speculate.
When we derive the heat diffusion equation which is a differential equation, we consider a differential element and the apply energy conservation.
In this conservation equation, we take energy coming in and going out, energy generated and change in energy stored.
Here the element is assumed to be infinitesimally small then why don't we consider quantum effects and include quantum energy terms?
Hope this suffice.
 
Maybe not the exact answer you are looking for, but maybe this will help.

Since the effect that you are interested in is at the macroscopic level, I don’t think that making quantum level calculations will provide any advantage.

I don’t recall about heat transfer, when I took the advanced Physics class, which involved quantum calculations. But we did do some calculations which had to do with motion. One in particular, that I can recall, had to do with a satellite orbiting Earth hundreds of km above the surface.

We had to calculate the next energy level up or down for the satellite, using quantum calculations. It turned out the difference in energy levels was on the order of nanometers, I think. It was small enough, that we could say that standard Newtonian mechanics and quantum mechanics produce the same result, when looking at macroscopic events.
 
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