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The discussion revolves around the derivation and implications of the F-term in the context of the O'Raifeartaigh model within supersymmetry. Participants explore the relationships between superfields, scalar fields, and the construction of superpotentials, focusing on the mathematical expressions and assumptions involved in these derivations.

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  • One participant questions the choice of substituting Φ3 with φ3 in the derivation of F1 and seeks clarification on this decision.
  • Another participant explains the general form of a chiral superfield and the process of constructing a superpotential, emphasizing the integration of auxiliary fields and the resulting expressions.
  • Discussion includes the assertion that F cannot be proportional to a chiral superfield due to its scalar nature, leading to further exploration of terms arising from different chiral fields.
  • One participant presents the potential of the current O'Raifeartaigh model and raises a question about the omission of fermionic fields in the derivation.
  • There is a clarification regarding the differentiation being performed with respect to the scalar part rather than the superfield, which leads to further inquiries about the implications of this approach.
  • Participants discuss the equivalence of results obtained by differentiating the superpotential directly versus using equations of motion for F's, while cautioning against confusing the two methods.

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Participants express differing views on the treatment of superfields and scalar fields, particularly regarding the implications of substituting variables and the handling of fermionic components. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives on these technical aspects.

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There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the relationships between superfields and their components, as well as the treatment of auxiliary fields in the derivation process. Some mathematical steps and definitions remain unclear or are subject to interpretation.

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I have a problem understanding the attached part of the book... Specifically how they derived this result for the Fs...
For example I'll try to write:
[itex]F_{1}^{\dagger}= - \frac{\partial W(Φ_{1},Φ_{2},Φ_{3})}{\partial Φ_{1}}|_{Φ_{1}=φ_{1}}[/itex]
If I do that for the O'Raifeartaigh superpotential I'll get:
[itex]F_{1}^{\dagger}= -λ_{1} (Φ_{3}^{2}-Μ^{2})[/itex]
However they choose [itex]Φ_{3}=φ_{3}[/itex] instead, and I don't know why they do that...
 

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Write the most general form of chiral superfield with it's expansion in terms of the scalar field, fermionic and auxiliary field. Constructing a superpotential consists of some expression like Φn with different values of n and a number of superfields and writing a general expression.

You need to put the superpotential term along with superlagrangian (which contains terms of auxiliary fields like F*F) and integrate with something like ∫d2θ[...], to get the general lagrangian.

In doing so you will encounter terms like NφN-1F and φN-2ψψ, you just concentrate on the term NφN-1F which can be written as ##\frac{∂W}{∂φ}##F. You just also add the complex conjugate of it to satisfy the hermtiicity condition. Along with F*F term you have the general form of potential in which you have to get rid of auxiliary field by EOM.

Doing that gives you, ##F^*=-\frac{∂W}{∂φ}##.
So it is already assumed that when you differentiate with respect to φ, you get a term which is dependent on the superfield but then you have to make a replacement of Φ by φ.
 
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However they choose Φ3=φ3 instead, and I don't know why they do that...

I think [itex]\Phi_{3}[/itex] is the superfield where [itex]\varphi_{3}[/itex] is the scalar field component of the superfield. This formula enables to compute the scalar potential of the theory (which is [itex]\sum{F_{i}^{\dagger}F_{i}}[/itex]) from the superpotential.
 
Yes, that what it does... Also F could not be proportional to a chiral sfield, because F is a scalar one...
However in such a definition of F I gave in my post, there is no way for me to plug in the scalar field φ3 instead of the chiral sfield Φ3.

Andrien, I would agree with that if the chiral field was one... In that case, you indeed get [itex]Nφ^{N-1} F[/itex] terms... (the FF* comes from the Kahler part of the Lagrangian).
However in the case you have different chiral fields (as you do here), you get different terms...
for example the:
[itex]Φ_{1}Φ_{2} |_{θθ-wanted}= φ_{1}F_{2} + F_{1} φ_{2}[/itex]
and
[itex]Φ_{1}Φ_{2} Φ_{3} |_{θθ-wanted}= φ_{1}φ_{2}F_{3} + φ_{1}F_{2}φ_{3}+ F_{1}φ_{2}φ_{3}[/itex]

But enough of that, let me write the spotential of the current O'Raifeartaigh model...
[itex]W= λ(Φ_{1} Φ_{3}^{2} - Φ_{1} Μ^{2} )+ g Φ_{2}Φ_{3}[/itex]
By the above, the terms containing F's after a ∫d2θ are:
[itex]W= λ[(2φ_{1}φ_{3}F_{3}+ F_{1} φ_{3}^{2}) - F_{1} M^{2}] + g (φ_{2}F_{3}+φ_{3}F_{2})[/itex]

(but question, how could you drop the ψ fields appearing?)

From that I see for example that the coefficient of [itex]F_{2}[/itex] is:
[itex]g φ_{3}= \frac{∂W}{∂Φ_{2}}[/itex]
but not for [itex]Φ_{2}=φ_{2}[/itex], but for all the rest fields also reduced down to their bosonic component...
 
I guess I had the derivative definition, I used in my 1st post, wrong in my lecture notes :/
 
The differentiation is performed with respect to scalar part as opposed to superfield as you have written in OP.
how could you drop the ψ fields appearing?
For the same reason you don't take VEV of spinor fields because it's zero.
 
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then [itex]dW/dφ_{2}= g F_{3}[/itex]?
 
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then [itex]dW/dφ_{2}= g F_{3}[/itex]?
You use this on original superpotential treating Φ as φ and you get right result.
If you write it in terms of F's like,

##W= λ[(2φ_{1}φ_{3}F_{3}+ F_{1} φ_{3}^{2}) - F_{1} M^{2}] + g (φ_{2}F_{3}+φ_{3}F_{2})##
then you need to use eqn. of motion for F's to get the same thing ( with F*F term included), you get by directly differentiating superpotential with respect to scalar part. Both give equivalent result but don't confuse one by another.
 
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