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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concepts of acceleration and movement, particularly in the context of running on a train. Participants explore the implications of running in a moving frame of reference and the associated work and energy considerations. The scope includes theoretical reasoning and practical implications of motion in non-inertial frames.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that running on a train is challenging due to the effects of acceleration, suggesting that it would be difficult to maintain speed.
  • One participant presents a calculation involving energy expenditure, indicating that running on a train involves the same energy as running on the ground, but the work done by the train alters the kinetic energy dynamics.
  • Another participant compares running on an accelerating train to running up an inclined plane, providing a mathematical model for the effective angle of incline based on acceleration.
  • There is mention of Usain Bolt's world record time as a benchmark for speed on level ground, implying that achieving similar speeds on an accelerating train would be more complex.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility of running on an accelerating train, with some emphasizing the difficulty while others provide calculations and comparisons that suggest it may be manageable under certain conditions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the practical implications of these dynamics.

Contextual Notes

Participants rely on various assumptions regarding acceleration, energy expenditure, and physical capability, which may not be universally applicable. The discussion includes mathematical models that are not fully resolved or agreed upon.

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But we know it not true becouse then it was almost impossible to run on a train
 
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1002-100=10,000-100 = 9900.
Also you spend ##\frac{1}{2}\times 1~\mathrm{kg}\times 10^2~\mathrm{m^2/s^2}=50~\mathrm{J}.##
 
danielhaish said:
But we know it not true becouse then it was almost impossible to run on a train
In the frame of the ground the train is doing positive work on you, if you accelerate forward while running in the train. You spend the same energy as on the ground, but the work done by the train on you accounts for the different gain in kinetic energy.
 
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...though if you tried to run on an accelerating train you would find it difficult.
 
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russ_watters said:
...though if you tried to run on an accelerating train you would find it difficult.
A little difficult. It would be like running up a plane inclined at angle ##\alpha## relative to the horizontal such that ##\sin\alpha=\dfrac{a}{\sqrt{a^2+g^2}}##. For a reasonable acceleration value of 1 m/s2 the effective angle is about 6o or a slope of 10% in the small angle approximation. Piece o' cake for a person in reasonably good shape. Reaching a final speed of 10 m/s is another issue. The 100 m dash world record time (Usain Bolt) now stands at 9.58 s, and that's on level ground.
 
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