Question about centripetal acceleration.

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving centripetal acceleration, forces acting on a child in a swing, and the implications of the calculated values. It includes theoretical analysis and application of concepts related to forces and energy conservation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant calculates the centripetal acceleration as $\frac{(9.00 m/s)^2}{2.00 m}=40.5 m/s^2$ and questions the discrepancy in force calculations.
  • Another participant notes that the total force exerted by the child on the seat must account for both the normal force and gravitational force, suggesting that the centripetal force is not the only factor.
  • A participant expresses concern that the calculated acceleration of $40.5\,m/s^2$ is significantly greater than gravitational acceleration, raising questions about the realism of the scenario.
  • There is a suggestion to compute the maximum speed of the child at the lowest point using conservation of energy, proposing the relationship $mgh = \frac{1}{2} mv^2$.

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Participants express differing views on the interpretation of forces acting on the child and the implications of the calculated acceleration. There is no consensus on the reasonableness of the results or the premises involved.

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Participants have not fully resolved the assumptions regarding the forces acting on the child or the implications of the calculated centripetal acceleration. The discussion includes potential inconsistencies in the problem setup.

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This discussion may be of interest to students studying physics, particularly those focusing on dynamics, centripetal motion, and energy conservation principles.

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Hi,

A mother pushes her child on a swing so that his speed is 9.00 m/s at the lowest point of his path. The swing is suspended 2.00 m above the child’s center of mass.

(a) What is the magnitude of the centripetal acceleration of the child at the low point?

(b) What is the magnitude of the force the child exerts on the seat if his mass is 18.0 kg?

(c) What is unreasonable about these results?

(d) Which premises are unreasonable or inconsistent?

Answer:- (a) $\frac{(9.00 m/s)^2}{2.00 m}=40.5 m/s^2$

(b) Answer given is 905 N. But my answer is $40.5 m/s^2 \times 18.00kg =729 N$ What is wrong with my answer?

How would you answer question (c) and (d)?
 
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Dhamnekar Winod said:
Answer:- (a) $\frac{(9.00 m/s)^2}{2.00 m}=40.5 m/s^2$

(b) Answer given is 905 N. But my answer is $40.5 m/s^2 \times 18.00kg =729 N$ What is wrong with my answer?

There are two forces acting on the child: the normal force from the swing, and the gravitational force.
They are opposite and they must add up to the centripetal force.
In other words, you still need to add the gravitational force.

How would you answer question (c) and (d)?

The acceleration $40.5\,m/s^2$ is about 4 times the acceleration due to gravity. Add gravity itself and we have 5 times. That seems like a lot to subject a child to.
The maximum speed that the child can realistically have, is if we bring the swing up all the way to the side and 2.00 meters up, and then let it swing down.
What will the speed of the child then be at the lowest point?
 
Hi,
How to compute the maximum speed that the child can realistically have at the lowest point of his path??
 
Dhamnekar Winod said:
Hi,
How to compute the maximum speed that the child can realistically have at the lowest point of his path??
Easiest is to apply conservation of energy.
The added gravitational energy is $mgh$ with $h=2.00\,m$, which must be equal to the kinetic energy $\frac 12 m v^2$ at the lowest point (disregarding friction).
That is:
$$mgh = \frac 12 mv^2\implies v=\sqrt{2gh}$$
 
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