Question about Coordinate Change

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The discussion revolves around the implications of a set of partial derivative equations relating two-dimensional coordinate systems (x,y) and (u,v). Participants explore whether these equations necessitate that the function \(\theta(u,v)\) is constant, indicating a linear relationship between the coordinate systems.

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  • Technical explanation, Mathematical reasoning, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant poses a question about whether the given partial derivative equations imply that \(\theta\) must be constant.
  • Another participant suggests that computing the cross derivatives leads to equations that imply \(\frac{\partial\theta}{\partial u} = \frac{\partial\theta}{\partial v} = 0\), which would support the idea that \(\theta\) is constant.
  • A third participant acknowledges a previous error in sign while attempting the same computation, indicating that they found the equations consistent despite the mistake.
  • A light-hearted comment is made regarding the challenges of sign errors in mathematical work.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is some agreement among participants that the cross derivatives suggest \(\theta\) could be constant, but the discussion remains open to interpretation and does not reach a consensus on the necessity of this condition.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not resolve the implications of the equations fully, and the dependency on the specific forms of the derivatives is not clarified. The presence of sign errors also introduces uncertainty in the conclusions drawn.

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Suppose that I have a two-dimensional coordinate system [itex](x,y)[/itex] and I change to a new coordinate system [itex](u,v)[/itex]. What I know is that there is some function [itex]\theta(u,v)[/itex] such that:
  1. [itex]\dfrac{\partial x}{\partial u} = cos(\theta)[/itex]
  2. [itex]\dfrac{\partial x}{\partial v} = -sin(\theta)[/itex]
  3. [itex]\dfrac{\partial y}{\partial u} = sin(\theta)[/itex]
  4. [itex]\dfrac{\partial y}{\partial v} = cos(\theta)[/itex]
My question is: do these 4 equations imply that [itex]\theta =[/itex] constant? (so that the relationship between the coordinate systems is linear)
 
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Looks like it yes, if you compute the cross derivatives
## \frac{\partial^2x}{\partial u\partial v} =-\sin\theta\frac{\partial\theta}{\partial v}=-\cos\theta\frac{\partial\theta}{\partial u}\\\frac{\partial^2y}{\partial u\partial v} =\cos\theta\frac{\partial\theta}{\partial v}=-\sin\theta\frac{\partial\theta}{\partial u} ##
you get a set of equations that require ## \frac{\partial\theta}{ \partial u}=\frac{\partial\theta}{ \partial v}=0##
 
wabbit said:
Looks like it yes, if you compute the cross derivatives
## \frac{\partial^2x}{\partial u\partial v} =-\sin\theta\frac{\partial\theta}{\partial v}=-\cos\theta\frac{\partial\theta}{\partial u}\\\frac{\partial^2y}{\partial u\partial v} =\cos\theta\frac{\partial\theta}{\partial v}=-\sin\theta\frac{\partial\theta}{\partial u} ##
you get a set of equations that require ## \frac{\partial\theta}{ \partial u}=\frac{\partial\theta}{ \partial v}=0##

Thank you! I tried exactly that, but I made a stupid sign error, and found them consistent.
 
Ah yes, signs are the spawn of the devil :)
 

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