Question about creation and annihilation operators?

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The discussion centers on the relationship between creation and annihilation operators in quantum mechanics, specifically how to derive the creation operator from the annihilation operator. The confusion arises from the properties of the momentum operator, where it is clarified that the momentum operator is Hermitian, leading to the conclusion that its adjoint is equal to itself. The participants explain that the dagger operation distributes over sums and products of operators, which helps in understanding the transformation of the operators involved. The importance of the Schwartz space of functions is highlighted, as it allows for the proper handling of these operators. Ultimately, the discussion clarifies the algebraic manipulation necessary to correctly derive the creation operator from the annihilation operator.
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Hello! I am reading about the creation and annihilation operators and I don't get how you find the creation operator from the annihilation one. The creation one is

\hat{a}=\sqrt{\frac{m \omega}{2 \hbar}}\left( \hat{x}+\frac{i \hat{p}}{m \omega}\right)

and the annihilation operator is \hat{a}\dagger =\sqrt{\frac{m \omega}{2 \hbar}}\left( \hat{x}-\frac{i \hat{p}}{m \omega}\right)

I don't understand how taking the complex conjugate an transpose leads to the minus sign. I thought that \hat{x}=x and \hat{p}=i\hbar\frac{\partial}{\partial x} so \hat{x}\dagger=\hat{x}=x but
\hat{p}\dagger=-i\hbar\frac{\partial}{\partial x}=-\hat{p} which will cancel with the minus sign from complex conjugating the i, so that \hat{a}=\hat{a}\dagger.

I'm sure that this mistake is due to my unfamiliarity with the algebra of operators. I would appreciate it if someone could say which of my assumptions is wrong! My hunch is that it has something to do with taking the dagger of \left( \hat{x}+\frac{i \hat{p}}{m \omega}\right) and this not being equal to taking the dagger of the individual operators...

Thanks in advance!
 
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The problem is where you computed ##p^{\dagger}##. Since this is an operator corresponding to an observable (momentum), you know that it must be hermitian so that ##p^{\dagger} = p##. Therefore your error is in the computation of ##p^{\dagger}##. Find first how the operator ##d/dx## transforms under a hermitian conjugate.
 
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21joanna12 said:
I don't understand how taking the complex conjugate an transpose leads to the minus sign. I thought that \hat{x}=x and \hat{p}=i\hbar\frac{\partial}{\partial x} so \hat{x}\dagger=\hat{x}=x but
\hat{p}\dagger=-i\hbar\frac{\partial}{\partial x}=-\hat{p} which will cancel with the minus sign from complex conjugating the i, so that \hat{a}=\hat{a}\dagger.

For an operator, \hat{O}, the definition of \hat{O}^\dagger is a little technical: If you have two wave functions \psi and \phi, then according to Dirac notation:

\langle \phi | \psi \rangle = \int \phi(x)^* \psi(x) dx

Then the meaning of \hat{O}^\dagger is given by:

\langle \phi | \hat{O} \psi \rangle = \langle \hat{O}^\dagger \phi | \psi\rangle

In the case of a "hermitian" operator, \hat{O}^\dagger = \hat{O}, so we can just write:

\langle \phi | \hat{O} | \psi \rangle

and not worry about whether \hat{O} is acting to the right, on \psi, or acting to the left, on \phi.

In the special case where \hat{O} is the derivative operator, \frac{d}{dx}, you can prove\dagger:

\langle \phi | \frac{d}{dx} \psi \rangle = \langle (- \frac{d}{dx} \phi) | \psi \rangle

So (\frac{d}{dx})^\dagger = - \frac{d}{dx}

\daggerThis is only true when \phi and \psi are well-behaved wave functions. You prove this by integration by parts, and reasoning that \phi and \psi go to zero as x \rightarrow \pm \infty.
 
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stevendaryl said:
For an operator, \hat{O}, the definition of \hat{O}^\dagger is a little technical: If you have two wave functions \psi and \phi, then according to Dirac notation:

\langle \phi | \psi \rangle = \int \phi(x)^* \psi(x) dx

Then the meaning of \hat{O}^\dagger is given by:

\langle \phi | \hat{O} \psi \rangle = \langle \hat{O}^\dagger \phi | \psi\rangle

In the case of a "hermitian" operator, \hat{O}^\dagger = \hat{O}, so we can just write:

\langle \phi | \hat{O} | \psi \rangle

and not worry about whether \hat{O} is acting to the right, on \psi, or acting to the left, on \phi.

In the special case where \hat{O} is the derivative operator, \frac{d}{dx}, you can prove\dagger:

\langle \phi | \frac{d}{dx} \psi \rangle = \langle (- \frac{d}{dx} \phi) | \psi \rangle

So (\frac{d}{dx})^\dagger = - \frac{d}{dx}

\daggerThis is only true when \phi and \psi are well-behaved wave functions. You prove this by integration by parts, and reasoning that \phi and \psi go to zero as x \rightarrow \pm \infty.

Brilliant! Thank you both! I see now how \hat{p}\dagger=\hat{p}, but I'm also wondering whether you can distribute the 'dagger' over the bracket \left(\hat{x}+\frac{i\hat{p}}{m\omega}\right) by simply taking the 'dagger' of the components and i? Or am I thinking about this wrong?

Thank you! :)
 
21joanna12 said:
Brilliant! Thank you both! I see now how \hat{p}\dagger=\hat{p}, but I'm also wondering whether you can distribute the 'dagger' over the bracket \left(\hat{x}+\frac{i\hat{p}}{m\omega}\right) by simply taking the 'dagger' of the components and i? Or am I thinking about this wrong?

Thank you! :)
Yes, the \dagger operation distributes.
 
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stevendaryl said:
Yes, the \dagger operation distributes.

Technically, (AB + C)^\dagger = B^\dagger A^\dagger + C^\dagger
 
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The harmonic oscillator (in 1D) is the simplest possible example of how functional analysis makes the heart of quantum mechanics. A nice propery which enables us to use ladder operators is the fact that \mathcal{S}(\mathbb{R}) the Schwartz test functions space is a common dense everywhere domain of essential self-adjointness for both x and p. Hence it makes sense to consider the adjoint of a = x + \alpha p , where \alpha is a complex constant (number, not operator).

a^{\dagger} = \left(x + \alpha p \right)^{\dagger} \supseteq x^{\dagger} + (\alpha p)^{\dagger} \supseteq x +\alpha^{*} p

Since i^{*} = -i, that's how you end up with a minus before p. If the operators are restricted to \mathcal{S}(\mathbb{R}) from \mathcal{L}^2(\mathbb{R}), you're safe to use the equality sign.
 
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