Question about frequency of light

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The discussion revolves around the frequency of light emitted by LEDs and incandescent bulbs when flickered on and off at high rates, specifically in the hundreds of kilohertz range. Participants explore the relationship between the flickering frequency and the inherent frequency of the emitted light, addressing both theoretical and practical aspects of light generation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that flickering an LED at hundreds of kHz does not affect the frequency of the emitted light, which is determined by the energy states of the electrons in the LED.
  • Another participant challenges the feasibility of flickering an incandescent bulb at such high rates, citing the longer response time of the bulb compared to the flickering frequency.
  • It is noted that an LED can respond to current fluctuations on the order of microseconds, allowing for higher flickering rates compared to incandescent bulbs.
  • A later reply emphasizes that the frequency of visible light is significantly higher (hundreds of terahertz) than the flickering frequency (hundreds of kilohertz), suggesting that the two frequencies are not directly related.
  • One participant introduces a classical perspective, arguing that photons are not involved in the thought experiment, framing light as electromagnetic waves instead.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the flickering capabilities of incandescent bulbs versus LEDs, with some agreeing on the relationship between flickering frequency and light frequency while others contest the practicality of such flickering with different light sources. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these differences.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the assumptions made about the response times of different light sources and the definitions of light in classical versus quantum contexts. The discussion does not resolve these aspects.

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I flicker an LED on and off at a rate on the order of hundreds of kHz. The light, even though it is sent in pulses, still has its own frequency, correct? The frequency at which I turn the light on and off is not related to the frequency of the photons. Is this correct?
 
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1v1Dota2RightMeow said:
I flicker a lightbulb on and off at a rate on the order of hundreds of kHz
You cannot do that. The response time of a light bulb is much longer than that.

For an incandescent bulb, you will get a spectrum based on the temprature of the filament.
 
Orodruin said:
You cannot do that. The response time of a light bulb is much longer than that.

For an incandescent bulb, you will get a spectrum based on the temprature of the filament.

*For an LED, which responds to current fluctuations on the order of microseconds
 
The LED itself generates light through the excitation and relaxation of electrons between electronic states. In other words, when you apply a voltage and send a current through an LED, you are exciting electrons from lower states of energy into higher states. When they fall to a lower energy state, they release that energy as a photon of light whose energy is the same as the difference in the energy states. So the rate at which you switch the LED on and off has little to do with how the light is generated.
 
1v1Dota2RightMeow said:
I flicker an LED on and off at a rate on the order of hundreds of kHz. The light, even though it is sent in pulses, still has its own frequency, correct? The frequency at which I turn the light on and off is not related to the frequency of the photons. Is this correct?
That is correct as long as the frequency of the light is large compared with the frequency with which you flash the light, which is the case here - the frequency of visible light is measured in the hundreds of terahertz and you are cycling the light at hundreds of kilohertz.

You might try imagining the same experiment with sound waves. Sound waves typically have a frequency of hundreds of hz, so your experiment is analogous to switching a sound generator on and off every few months.

(As an aside, there aren't any photons involved here. This is a purely classical thought experiment, and the light is best thought of as electromagnetic waves. Photons only come into the picture when there are significant quantum mechanical effects, and that's not the case here.).
 
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