Understanding Gravity: The Role of Forces in Momentum Questions

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This discussion focuses on the application of Newton's second law in momentum questions involving forces acting on a person when they come to a stop in water or on a mattress. The key formula derived is Fmattress = mg + ma, where m represents mass, g is the acceleration due to gravity (9.8 m/s²), and a is the deceleration caused by the medium. Participants clarify that the upward force exerted by the mattress or water must counteract both the weight of the individual and the additional deceleration, leading to the addition of forces rather than subtraction.

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I was doing some momentum questions. There some that goes like "a man dives into water, and comes to a stop x seconds after reaching water, what force did the water act on him" or "stuntman jumps onto a mattress, matress compressed down x meters before he is brought to rest, what force did the matress apply on him?"
Basically, answer= (guys mass)(acc. of medium) + 9.8(guys mass)

Everytime I do those questions, I keep forgetting account for gravity, and I don't know why you are suppose to add 9.8*(guys mass). I mean, isn't gravity pulling the guy down, while the water/mattress's force is pushing the guy upwards, to stop him? So why do you add the 2 forces, if anything, wouldn't you subtract? (someone please clear this up for me :confused: )
 
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Sorry for the late reply. In case you're still interested, here are my comments on this.

404 said:
I was doing some momentum questions. There some that goes like "a man dives into water, and comes to a stop x seconds after reaching water, what force did the water act on him" or "stuntman jumps onto a mattress, matress compressed down x meters before he is brought to rest, what force did the matress apply on him?"

Basically, answer= (guys mass)(acc. of medium) + 9.8(guys mass)

The matress supplies an upward force that has to do 2 things:

1.) Decelerate the man.
2.) Support his weight.

So if we apply Newton's second law to the man + mattress system we have:

\Sigma F=F_{mattress}-mg=ma

So you are subtracting the two forces. And as you can see, upon solving for F{mattress} you get mg+ma.
 
here's another way of looking at it...

downward force= (mg+ma)...this is applied onto the surface by the guy

for every force applied to the surface(mattress/water)...there will be an equal and opposite reaction by the surface in the upward direction...
 
The book claims the answer is that all the magnitudes are the same because "the gravitational force on the penguin is the same". I'm having trouble understanding this. I thought the buoyant force was equal to the weight of the fluid displaced. Weight depends on mass which depends on density. Therefore, due to the differing densities the buoyant force will be different in each case? Is this incorrect?

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