Question about ice cube tray freezing first in the front

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the phenomenon of why ice cube trays freeze first at the front of the tray, which is closest to the refrigerator door. Participants explore various explanations, including the Mpemba effect, air circulation, and temperature gradients, while considering the implications of refrigerator design and operation.

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  • Exploratory
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that better air circulation may contribute to the freezing pattern observed.
  • Others propose that the Mpemba effect is relevant, although its applicability in this context is debated.
  • One participant argues that the front of the refrigerator is warmer due to hot air intrusion when the door is opened, leading to a greater temperature difference that affects freezing rates.
  • Another participant questions the logic behind the assertion that increased heat density in the front implies faster freezing at the front compared to the rear.
  • Some participants note that modern refrigerators with forced air circulation may have more uniform temperature distributions, challenging the idea that the front is consistently warmer.
  • One participant discusses the freezing process in detail, mentioning stages such as nucleation and the impact of temperature gradients on nucleation rates.
  • Another participant asserts that a reduced nucleation rate should delay freezing, while acknowledging a correction to their earlier statement.
  • Several participants express humor or skepticism regarding the overall seriousness of the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the primary reasons for the observed freezing pattern. Multiple competing views remain, with some attributing the phenomenon to the Mpemba effect, while others emphasize air circulation and temperature gradients.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include varying assumptions about refrigerator design, the influence of airflow patterns, and the specific conditions under which the freezing occurs. The discussion reflects a range of perspectives without resolving the underlying complexities.

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sage advice. Will most certainty take it under rigorous consideration
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evaporator fan.. this is why the front freezes first.
 
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Ranger Mike said:
evaporator fan.. this is why the front freezes first.
A good post for being a problem of the real home world , rather than of the text book variety.
One does need to think 'what is really going on', and have all the 'facts' been accessed correctly by the armchair analysist.

One aspect not fully discussed would be
Ranger Mike said:
So when you open the door of the freezer portion of your refrigerator, you let in hotter air and this causes a large temperature gradient. The warmer air hits the wall of denser cold air and becomes static but it is still hotter than the rest of the freezer volume.

This action reduces the nucleation rate at the front of the ice cube tray. So it freezes before the rear of the freezer volume.
I think you mean a reduced nucleation time would enhance freezing.

Perchance, and speculative, so requires further research,
Opening the door sets up a new circulation pattern, whereby moving air over the tray surface of water causes a shear in the liquid in another direction from before. If any nucleation sites are present, some may be torn off, or apart from one another, providing secondary sites for crystal growth. Is this more predominate for the front of the tray is a question to ask. And have primary nucleation sites already formed which can be torn apart?

In addition, does opening the door let impurities, such as dust or pollen, enter the chamber to settle onto the water allowing an increase in nucleation sites. If so, why would this more predominate for the front of the tray than the rear?

As an end note,
It would be interesting to know when the front of the tray has, or is becoming frozen, if the rear of the tray is supercooled with no nucleation sites developing.
 
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sophiecentaur said:
I am convinced that the reason is often that warm water kicks the compressor into action earlier than a tray of cold water might. End product would be freezing earlier when the cooling cycle is designed to be long.
Oh that's good. It could be it. My air conditioner has too much hysteresis so I'm often telling it what to do by hand.

My thinking was that the hot water had less dissolved air and so froze more quickly. But that may be insignificant.

It would be pretty easy to answer these with experiments. 1) Put the water in the fridge then pull the plug. 2) Heat water to remove dissolved air then put it in the fridge to cool before doing the experiment.
 
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