Question about linear transformations

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The discussion revolves around linear transformations, specifically analyzing the transformation of a circle defined by C={(x,y) ∈ ℝ² | x²+y²≤1} through a given linear map T:ℝ²→ℝ². The original poster seeks to determine for which natural numbers n the image of C after n applications of T contains at least 2013 integer-coordinate points.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to express the linear transformation in matrix form and considers diagonalization to facilitate repeated applications of T. They express uncertainty about counting integer-coordinate points in the transformed region.
  • Some participants question the nature of the image of a circle under the transformation and the implications of the determinant on area scaling.
  • Others suggest considering the behavior of the transformed region as n increases and propose counting specific types of integer points.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring various aspects of the transformation and its implications. Some have provided insights into the geometric interpretation of the transformation and its effects on area, while others are considering specific integer points of interest. There is no explicit consensus yet, but multiple lines of reasoning are being explored.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working within the constraints of the problem as posed, including the requirement to find natural numbers n and the focus on integer-coordinate points. There is mention of a potential connection to a Math Olympiad question, indicating a specific context for the problem.

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Homework Statement


Hey PF, I'm here again asking about linear transformations, ha ha.
Let C={(x,y) \in \mathbb R2 | x²+y²≤1} a circle of radius 1 and consider the linear transform
T:\mathbb R2→\mathbb R2
(x,y) \mapsto (\frac{5x+3y}{4},\frac{3x+5y}{4})​
Find all values of a natural n for which Tn(C), the image of C after n applications of T, contains at least 2013 points (a,b) with coordinates a, b \in \mathbb Z.

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The Attempt at a Solution


At first I've fixed for both input and output basis for the map ε = {e1,e2} (i.e. the canonic basis) writing the linear transformation in a matrix form:
\begin{pmatrix}<br /> T\end{pmatrix}^{ε}_{ε}\begin{pmatrix}<br /> x\\<br /> y<br /> \end{pmatrix}_{ε}<br /> =\begin{pmatrix}<br /> \frac{5}{4} &amp; \frac{3}{4}\\<br /> \frac{3}{4} &amp; \frac{5}{4}<br /> \end{pmatrix}\begin{pmatrix}<br /> x\\<br /> y<br /> \end{pmatrix}_ε
Then, knowing I'm going to be applying the linear transformation n times, I thought would be a wise choice to diagonalize it, taking advantage of it's nice form to do so:
\begin{pmatrix}<br /> T\end{pmatrix}^{ε}_{ε} = -\frac{1}{2}\begin{pmatrix}<br /> 1 &amp; 1\\<br /> 1 &amp; -1<br /> \end{pmatrix}\begin{pmatrix}<br /> 2 &amp; 0\\<br /> 0 &amp; \frac{1}{2}<br /> \end{pmatrix}\begin{pmatrix}<br /> -1 &amp; -1\\<br /> -1 &amp; 1<br /> \end{pmatrix}
But right now, I'm having a little bit of trouble to figure out how to count the number of points on the maps that has both coordinates belonging to \mathbb Z. Hope for some help, thanks in advance guys.
 
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I will respond, but I am not sure how much help I can offer. I have two questions, at least.

1. What does the image of a circle under a linear map look like?

2. We have spoken before about how the the determinant of the matrix associated with a linear map will tell you how area scales. So what is then the area of the transformed region after ##n## applications of the mapping?

After answering these questions, do you have any thoughts on it?
 
Well, I can see that after you apply the transformation on the circle, we expand vectors in the (1,1) by a factor of 2, and contract the ones in the (1,-1) direction by a factor of two either. Then, the image of the circle after applying T n times is limited by an ellipse centered at the origin, with semi-axis sized 2^n, in the (1,1) direction, and 1/(2^n), in the (1,-1) direction.
Since det(T)=1, applying the transformation doesn't actually change the value of the area.
My thoughts on it would be to count only the (c,c); c \in \mathbb Z, since I'm sure that the number of those kind of points is growing with each time I apply T in the region C. Is this a good way to go?
 
Right. It would seem to me as well that as ##n## grows larger the image looks more and more like the line ##y=x##.

Maybe you can use your diagonalization to determine for which ##n## we reach points like ##(1000,1000)##. You have ##T^n \mathbf{x} = P^{-1}D^nP \mathbf{x}##, right?

Do you have access to an answer to the question?
 
Hm, I'm going to try that indeed... I guess the right answer would be n≥11. I think I would be able to find somewhere an answer model, since it was a question in a Math Olympiad. If you are interested let me now.
 

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