Question about Metric Tensor: Can g_{rr} be Functions of Coordinate Variables?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the nature of the metric tensor in the context of geodesic equations, specifically whether the components of the metric tensor, denoted as ##g_{rr}##, can be functions of coordinate variables. The scope includes theoretical considerations related to differential geometry and the implications for geodesic equations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that if the metric tensor is diagonal, the geodesic equations involve partial derivatives of the metric components, suggesting that each ##g_{rr}## could potentially be a function of one coordinate variable.
  • Another participant questions the initial understanding, indicating that the metric coefficients could indeed be functions of all coordinates, implying no restriction on their dependence.
  • A participant raises a concern about the number of nonzero partial derivatives, suggesting that if each metric component were a function of multiple coordinates, it would lead to a discrepancy between the number of equations and the number of derivatives.
  • Further clarification is provided that the geodesic equations are meant to determine the path of particles given the metric, rather than to determine the metric itself, which shifts the focus of the discussion.
  • One participant acknowledges a misunderstanding regarding the notation and recognizes that the number of geodesic equations corresponds to the number of metric coefficients, which alleviates earlier concerns about the number of derivatives.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between the metric components and their dependence on coordinate variables. While some argue for the possibility of such dependence, others highlight the implications of this on the structure of the geodesic equations, leading to an unresolved discussion.

Contextual Notes

The discussion reflects limitations in understanding the implications of metric tensor components being functions of coordinate variables, particularly regarding the relationship between the number of equations and the number of derivatives involved.

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Hello

Say, the metric tensor is diagonal, ##g=\mbox{diag}(g_{11}, g_{22},...,g_{NN})##. The (null) geodesic equations are

##\frac{d}{ds}(2g_{ri} \frac{dx^{i}}{ds})-\frac{\partial g_{jk}}{\partial x^{r}}\frac{dx^{j}}{ds}\frac{dx^{k}}{ds} = 0##

These are ##N## equations containing ##N## partial derivatives ##\frac{\partial g_{rr}}{\partial x^{l}}##.

The question is - does this mean ##g_{rr}## (a total of ##N## of them) can be functions of up to one coordinate variable each?
Say, in cyl. coordinates ##ds^2=g_{11}(r)dr^2+g_{22}(\theta)d\theta^2+g_{33}(z)dz^2+g_{44}(t)dt^2##
What is your understanding - can say, ##g_{22}## be a function of ##t##? Or could ##g_{11}## be a function of ##z##?

It just seems that if in the most general case ##g_{rr}=g_{rr}(x^1,x^2,...,x^N)## the geodesic equations should be at least ##N^2##, to carry the information for all possible partial derivatives...

Any thoughts?
 
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I'm not sure if I understand the question. I think you've confused the coordinate r with the index r in the equation.

Here it is with m replacing r as the surviving index.

##
\frac{d}{ds}(2g_{mi} \frac{dx^{i}}{ds})-\frac{\partial g_{jk}}{\partial x^{m}}\frac{dx^{j}}{ds}\frac{dx^{k}}{ds} = 0
##

There is no reason why the metric coefficients should not be functions of all or any of the coordinates.
 
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Then we would have ##N^2## nonzero partial derivatives ##\frac{\partial g_{rr}}{\partial x^l}##, while the geodesic equations are only ##N##.
 
kkz23691 said:
Then we would have ##N^2## nonzero partial derivatives ##\frac{\partial g_{rr}}{\partial x^l}##, while the geodesic equations are only ##N##.

The geodesic equation is for determining x^\mu(\tau) given g_{\mu \nu}. It's not for determining g_{\mu \nu}. There are 4 equations and four unknowns:

\frac{d^2 x^\mu}{d\tau^2} =...
 
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Mentz114 said:
I think you've confused the coordinate r with the index r in the equation.
My bad, should have used something else instead of r.

stevendaryl said:
There are 4 equations and four unknowns
Ah, I see. There are ##N## coefficients of the metric tensor which, through the ##N## geodesic equations output ##N## parametric equations for the geodesic. This makes sense :smile: I shouldn't have looked at the number of derivatives.
 

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