Question about photons and neutrinos

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The discussion centers around the differences in behavior between photons and neutrinos, particularly why photons can be stopped by objects while neutrinos can pass through them. The scope includes conceptual explanations and technical reasoning related to particle interactions and forces.

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  • Some participants suggest that the speed of the particles is not the relevant factor in their interactions with matter.
  • One participant notes that photons interact only through electromagnetic forces, while neutrinos interact only via the weak force.
  • Another participant emphasizes that photons and neutrinos are fundamentally different particles, which may explain their differing interactions with matter.
  • A detailed explanation is provided regarding how neutrinos, produced by radioactive decay, interact very rarely with ordinary matter, allowing them to pass through without significant interaction.
  • It is mentioned that photons interact more frequently with ordinary matter due to electromagnetic interactions, leading to absorption in most solids.
  • One participant questions the relevance of speed, noting that it is frame-dependent and suggesting that a better understanding of the forces involved is necessary.

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Participants express differing views on the relevance of speed in the context of particle interactions, with some emphasizing the importance of the forces at play. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these differences.

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Participants highlight the complexity of particle interactions, including the probabilistic nature of quantum mechanics and quantum field theory, without reaching a consensus on the primary factors influencing the behavior of photons and neutrinos.

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while the photon travels at light speed and a neutrino travel at just below light speed why then are photons stopped by an object and the neutrino can past through?
 
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It's a good question, but have you tried Googling each to see what the differences are? Have you done any research on this at all? Hint: speed is not the issue.
 
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It depends on what forces those two particles interacts with.
Photon - only electromagnetic
Neutrino - only weak force.
 
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They are completely different particles, why do you expect them to be similar?
 
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Simon Peach said:
while the photon travels at light speed and a neutrino travel at just below light speed why then are photons stopped by an object and the neutrino can past through?
This is not such a silly question. The problem is your assumption that the speed of the particles is the relevant factor.

The reason that elementary particles of ordinary matter merge into atoms, molecules, dust, rocks, planets and stars is through the strong nuclear interaction that creates protons, neutrons and atomic nucleii; and, through the electromagnetic interaction that accounts for everything else. This is why there is the possibility of so-called dark matter in the universe that interacts only gravitationally. I.e. we could theorectically observe its effect on galaxy dynamics, but it wouldn't interact and merge with itself or ordinary matter in any other way. In fact, one of the possibilities for dark matter (although perhaps not a very likely one) is lots of neutrinos.

The neutrino does not interact via the strong or electromagnetic interactions, but they do interact via the weak interaction and are produced by radio-active decay. They are not totally "dark". They are, however, very difficult to detect and their presence was calculated before any direct observations could be made. Nobel prizes have been won for neutrino detection.

In other words, neutrino interactions are so rare that they will pass through ordinary matter. Note that at the elementary level interactions are not a result of classical head-on collisions, but of probabilistic quantum interactions as described by QM and QFT.

Photons on the other hand are part of the QM theory of light and electromagnetism and do interact much more frequently with ordinary matter. Although light passes through air, water and glass (to some extent), it is absorbed through electromagnetic interactions in most solids.
 
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I agree @Simon Peach should tell us what he has already done so we can start in the right spot. A good place to start would be explaining why he thinks speed -which is frame dependent anyway - matters.
 
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Moderator's note to SAs: A meta-discussion about handling of threads of this type has been moved to a separate thread.
 
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