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The discussion revolves around the implications of relativistic motion in a rocket traveling at 0.9c, particularly in relation to observations of the universe's expansion, event horizons, and the appearance of celestial objects. Participants explore theoretical scenarios and the effects of relativistic speeds on measurements and perceptions in cosmology.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that a person in a relativistic rocket would not observe the universe expanding equally in all directions, contrasting the initial assumption.
  • There is a discussion about the concept of event horizons, with some participants questioning the specific type of horizon being referenced and clarifying that it may refer to the particle or cosmological horizon.
  • One participant notes that the visual appearance of stars would be affected by Lorentz contraction, but also complicates this with the concept of Penrose-Terrell rotation.
  • Another participant introduces the idea that the particle horizon may increase, but emphasizes that this is dependent on the universe's expansion rate and could vary under different cosmological scenarios.
  • There is a consideration of the Rindler Horizon, particularly in the context of an accelerating rocket, and whether such a horizon would affect observations in the forward direction.
  • Participants discuss the notion of observable velocities with respect to the cosmic microwave background (CMB) and whether this implies a measurable absolute velocity, while noting that this does not contradict the principles of relativity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of event horizons and the implications of relativistic motion on observations of the universe. There is no consensus on the specifics of these concepts, indicating that multiple competing views remain.

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Limitations include the dependence on definitions of various horizons and the unresolved nature of how different cosmological scenarios affect observations. The discussion also highlights the complexity of visual perceptions in relativistic contexts.

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Question about the a "relativistic rocket"

Intro:
If one was to measure the redshifts and distances of all galaxies around earth, they would come to a conclusion that they were in the center of the universe because all the galaxies are "moving away from them" faster as the distance to them increases. However, this would be true for anyone on the universe because the universe is homogeneous and doesn't have a "center". It's like being a surface of a balloon being inflated, and the balloon surface not having a center.

Questions:
If I was in a rocket moving at .9c and moving away from Earth would I:
1) If I measure distances/redshifts towards all galaxies around me, will I have the same observation (about universe expanding equally in all directions).
2) If my event horizon behind me reduces, does it mean that it shifts forward also and that I can "receive new events" from something ahead of me?
3) If I was to take Hubble with me and observe some star that it in direction perpendicular to my direction of motion, would I see that the star is round or "squished" in the direction of my motion?
 
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kamenjar said:
1) If I measure distances/redshifts towards all galaxies around me, will I have the same observation (about universe expanding equally in all directions).

No.

kamenjar said:
2) If my event horizon behind me reduces, does it mean that it shifts forward also and that I can "receive new events" from something ahead of me?

What "event horizon" are you talking about?

kamenjar said:
3) If I was to take Hubble with me and observe some star that it in direction perpendicular to my direction of motion, would I see that the star is round or "squished" in the direction of my motion?

If you're asking if the star would be Lorentz-contracted along your direction of motion, yes, it would. However, its actual visual appearance would be somewhat more complicated because of Penrose-Terrell rotation:

http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/SR/penrose.html
 


kamenjar said:
1) If I measure distances/redshifts towards all galaxies around me, will I have the same observation (about universe expanding equally in all directions).
Already for the motion of the Earth relative to the cosmological background radiation the small velocity leads to an anisotropy in the radiation (a kind of dipole moment) which has to be subtracted.

kamenjar said:
2) If my event horizon behind me reduces, does it mean that it shifts forward also and that I can "receive new events" from something ahead of me?
What you mean is the so-called particle horizon or cosmological horizon. Yes, the horizon increases. But please be careful, this depends on the expansion rate of the universe; there are cosmological scenarios where the particle horizon shrinks for a stationary observer and where local relativistic motion can't compensate this effect. An example is inflation where the expansion rate exceeds the speed of light.
 


PeterDonis said:
What "event horizon" are you talking about?
tom.stoer said:
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What you mean is the so-called particle horizon or cosmological horizon.
I actually meant the Rindler Horizon, but that may occur only if the rocket is accelerating. So the question I guess still stands - if the rocket is accelerating, will there be a rindler horizon and/or is there an inverse effect in forward direction.

the cosmological horizon is interesting though. If we could "hurl" Hubble at high velocity, we could see more. Though we'd probably have better optics technology by the time we have energy to hurl an object into space at such high speed.

Now as far as the velocity with respect to the universe expansion "rest point" being "observable", doesn't that mean that there is such thing as observable/measurable absolute velocity and velocity "at rest"? Or does just not have any significance even if there is.
 


kamenjar said:
Now as far as the velocity with respect to the universe expansion "rest point" being "observable", doesn't that mean that there is such thing as observable/measurable absolute velocity and velocity "at rest"?
There are always observable/measurable velocities w.r.t. "something". Yes, the cmb defines a "global" reference frame and the motion w.r.t. this frame can be measured. But this does not contradict relativity.
 

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