Question about the concept of Reaction Rate

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of reaction rate in chemical kinetics, particularly focusing on the units of reaction rate and the relationship between concentration and time. Participants explore the implications of measuring reaction rates in the context of an Iodine Clock Reaction Lab, examining how rates are calculated and the significance of the rate constant.

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  • Debate/contested
  • Experimental/applied

Main Points Raised

  • Richard questions how a reaction rate can be expressed in units of s-1 without a corresponding change in property in the numerator, suggesting a need for clarification on the definition of rate.
  • One participant distinguishes between reaction rates (expressed in concentration over time) and rate constants (k), which can have units of s-1 depending on the reaction order.
  • Senjai describes the experimental method of determining rates by taking the inverse of the time for the reaction to complete, expressing confusion about the validity of this approach in relation to the rate equation.
  • Another participant notes that the method of calculating rates as 1/time is valid for zeroth-order reactions, while suggesting that more complex reactions require plotting concentration versus time and fitting to a specific function.
  • Senjai provides a specific rate equation and mentions the units of the rate constant needed to ensure dimensional consistency.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the validity of calculating reaction rates as 1/time and whether this approach applies universally across different reaction orders. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these calculations for various types of reactions.

Contextual Notes

There is a lack of consensus on the applicability of the method used to determine reaction rates, particularly in relation to the order of the reactions being studied. The discussion highlights the complexity of defining and measuring reaction rates in experimental settings.

Senjai
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This is not a homework question.

Im curious as to why in some situations rate is described as s^{-1} without a change in property in the numerator.

As i understand, rate is defined as a change of a property over the time elapsed over that change.. How can we have a reaction rate without having a change in property?]

More specifically, this came to my notice in a Iodine Clock Reaction Lab. When graphing the reaction rate vs the concentration of the reacting species.

Thanks much,
Richard.
 
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Are you looking at the rates at which a certain chemical reaction is occurring or the rate constant (k) for a particular reaction? Rates of chemical reactions (usually expressed as v) are almost always in the units of concentration over time. Rate constants, which are different from rates, come from the rate equation, an expression that relates the concentration of reactants and products to the overall rate of a chemical reaction. For example in a hypothetical reaction of A --> B, the rate equation might look like:

v = k[A]

Meaning that the rate of the reaction is proportional to the concentration of species A. Here the rate constant would have units of s-1.
 
Yes we were using the rate equation..

However when we experimentally determined the rates, we just took the times for the reaction to change color, and calculated the rates as 1 / time for reaction completion..

And i don't understand how we can do that for the rate of the equation..

Someone told me it had to do with the 1 symbolizing one "complete reaction" over that time.

We then used the rates, orders, and concentrations to find k..

Our eqn was: Rate = 2.1 x 10^6[H^+]^1[IO_3^-]^1[HSO_3^-]^1

thanks again, senjai.
 
Senjai said:
Yes we were using the rate equation..

However when we experimentally determined the rates, we just took the times for the reaction to change color, and calculated the rates as 1 / time for reaction completion.

And i don't understand how we can do that for the rate of the equation..

Someone told me it had to do with the 1 symbolizing one "complete reaction" over that time.

This approach is valid only for zeroth-order reactions. For more complicated reactions, you would need to plot our the concentration of product or reactant versus time and fit the curve you generate to a specific function (whose form depends on the rate equation you think the reaction follows). For example, for first order reactions, the amount of reactant will exponentially decay over time.

We then used the rates, orders, and concentrations to find k..

Our eqn was: Rate = 2.1 x 10^6[H^+]^1[IO_3^-]^1[HSO_3^-]^1

thanks again, senjai.

In this case, your rate constant would have units of M-2 s-1 in order to make the units work out (so that the rate is in units of M s-1).
 

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