Question about the ending to 2001: A Space Odyssey

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The discussion revolves around the interpretation of the ending of "2001: A Space Odyssey," specifically whether the character Bowman is transported to distant galaxies outside the observable universe by the monolith. Participants explore differences between the film and the book, as well as implications of Bowman's journey and the nature of the monolith.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the movie indicates Bowman travels far beyond human comprehension, while the book is less clear, possibly mentioning a galactic cluster that could be within our own galaxy.
  • One participant recalls that Bowman was initially on Jupiter and later returned to Earth, while another corrects this by stating he was actually at Saturn, linking this to the destruction of a moon that created Saturn's rings.
  • There is a mention that Clarke's views on the story are not definitive due to his collaboration with Kubrick, with the novel being released after the film.
  • Some participants express the idea that Bowman's journey transcends physical distance, suggesting a movement into a higher dimension or a different reality altogether.
  • Another participant notes that in "3001," it is indicated that Bowman's consciousness was absorbed by an alien device, and that the aliens are limited by the speed of light, implying constraints on his journey.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the specifics of Bowman's journey or the implications of the monolith, with multiple competing interpretations and uncertainties expressed throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the interpretations of the film versus the book, and the implications of the narrative choices made by Clarke and Kubrick. The discussion also reflects varying understandings of the nature of the monolith and its effects on Bowman.

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In 2001, does bowman get transported to distant galaxies far outside of the observable universe by the monolith?
 
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donglepuss said:
In 2001, does bowman get transported to distant galaxies far outside of the observable universe by the monolith?
That depends on whether you watch the movie or read the book. The movie is quite clear that he's going far far beyond anywhere we can imagine. The book is more vague. I don't have the book any more (dang it!) but I think there was a mention of a galactic cluster, but that could easily have been within our own Galaxy. 3001 implies that the entities that created the monolith were local to this Galaxy, but that could be outside of what Clarke's original intentions were.

-Dan
 
I figured he was on Jupiter and then went back to Earth.
 
donglepuss said:
does bowman get transported to distant galaxies
As I recall it's not really specified. There is maybe a mention that the physical side of the alien entity is already obsolete/discarded, and that might imply a not exactly physical 'distance' for the trip, but there is no actual answer ( ... which I know about).

In the 3001 book it is hinted that the monolit might be still part of the physical side of the entities and is constrained by light speed
(thus the issue about the extermination command sent back with 900 years of delay based on our mid-XX. century...)
 
Algr said:
I figured he was on Jupiter and then went back to Earth.
Actually, in the book he was out at Saturn. It made more sense, really: Clarke said that the creation of the monolith at Saturn is what destroyed the moon that created the rings. But that didn't work well with the plot of the second book, which took place at Jupiter.

There's a Trivial Pursuit question about this that I flummox the questioner with: The card asks which planet Discovery went to but doesn't mention if it's asking about the book or the movie.

-Dan
 
Clarke’s views are not definitive - he co-wrote the screenplay with Stanley Kubrick, with the novel releases after the movie.
 
donglepuss said:
In 2001, does bowman get transported to distant galaxies far outside of the observable universe by the monolith?
If I remember correctly, he was transported to a Holiday Inn.
 
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donglepuss said:
In 2001, does bowman get transported to distant galaxies far outside of the observable universe by the monolith?
Reading the book and watching the film both gave my the impression that he sorta transcended our "mundane" reality". Much like those civilizations in Ian M. Banks' books who just sorta "drop out of reality".

I mean he's sorta here there and everywhere at the same time. Like in the 4th dimension or some such.

In the book I remember he "travels" back to Earth to visit his mom one last time and, on the way, triggers a thermonuclear device commenting on the crude construction of the weapon.
 
Having read 3001 last week, I can tell you that the consciousness of Bowman was absorbed by a large alien device. We are told that the aliens are limited by the speed of light. So no go on extragalactic or even extrasolar.
 

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