Question about the Nyquist sampling rate

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The discussion revolves around the Nyquist sampling rate, specifically the interpretation of the inequality relating the sampling frequency (Fs) to the maximum frequency (Fm) of a signal. Participants explore whether the sampling rate must be strictly greater than or can be equal to twice the maximum frequency for proper signal reconstruction.

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  • One participant questions the difference between the inequalities Fs > 2Fm and Fs >= 2Fm, seeking clarity on whether the sampling frequency must be strictly greater or can be equal to twice the maximum frequency.
  • Another participant asserts that it is a strict inequality, citing the example of a sine wave sampled at exactly twice its frequency, which could lead to reconstruction issues.
  • It is mentioned that sampling below the Nyquist rate can be permissible under certain conditions, such as when dealing with passband signals that have defined frequency bounds.
  • A participant references Shannon's sampling theorem, emphasizing that it states to sample at twice the highest frequency present in the signal and discusses the implications of aliasing when the bandlimit is exceeded.
  • There is a note on the distinction between 'Nyquist frequency' and 'Nyquist rate,' indicating that context matters in their usage.

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Participants express differing views on the strictness of the Nyquist sampling rate inequality, with no consensus reached on whether Fs must be strictly greater than or can be equal to 2Fm. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these interpretations.

Contextual Notes

Some statements reference the need for careful definitions regarding the presence of sinusoidal components at the Nyquist frequency, and the discussion highlights the potential for aliasing when certain conditions are not met.

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I'm trying to look up sources on the nyquist sampling rate, but I keep finding this small subtle difference between sources, and I am not sure if it is laziness or some subtle point I am missing.

Sometimes I see the nyquist rate as Fs>2Fm and sometimes I see it as Fs>=2Fm. So is it the sampling rate is any frequency equal or greater than two times the max frequency, or does the sampling frequency have to be greater than two times the signal's max frequency? Or is there some subtlety that I am missing in the articles I am reading, and under some circumstances it is equal to or greater and others it has to be greater.

I feel like I am finding online sources that write it one way and some write it the other way, and I just want to make sure my understanding is exact. Thanks in advance.
 
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It's a strict inequality, since, if you take the classic example of a sine wave sampled at exactly twice its frequency, you could have the two samples per period lie on the zero crossings, and you can't reconstruct the original signal from a sequence of zeros. In practice, however, you'd typically sample at a much higher frequency than dictated by this inequality.

You can get away with sampling below the Nyquist rate for a signal, by exploiting aliasing, if it has both a lower and upper frequency bound for its content (sometimes called a passband signal).

As a sidenote: Be careful about using 'Nyquist frequency' and 'Nyquist rate' interchangeably. There can be a difference depending on context.
 
Thank you very much for the information, that clears everything up.
 
Shannon's sampling theorem says sample at twice the highest frequency present in the signal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nyquist–Shannon_sampling_theorem
Wikipedia said:
If a function x(t) contains no frequencies higher than B cps, it is completely determined by giving its ordinates at a series of points spaced 1/(2B) seconds apart.
A sufficient sample-rate is therefore 2B samples/second, or anything larger. Conversely, for a given sample rate fs the bandlimit for perfect reconstruction is B ≤ fs/2 . When the bandlimit is too high (or there is no bandlimit), the reconstruction exhibits imperfections known as aliasing. Modern statements of the theorem are sometimes careful to explicitly state that x(t) must contain no sinusoidal component at exactly frequency B, or that B must be strictly less than ½ the sample rate. The two thresholds, 2B and fs/2 are respectively called the Nyquist rate and Nyquist frequency.

Nyquist had little to do with it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nyquist–Shannon_sampling_theorem#Why_Nyquist.3F
 
Baluncore said:
Shannon's sampling theorem says sample at twice the highest frequency present in the signal.
Wikipedia said:
Modern statements of the theorem are sometimes careful to explicitly state that x(t) must contain no sinusoidal component at exactly frequency B, or that B must be strictly less than ½ the sample rate.
 

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