Question about the release of electrons

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The discussion revolves around the release of electrons from atoms, specifically focusing on the terminology, energy requirements, and methods of electron release. It touches on concepts related to quantum mechanics and ionization, exploring both theoretical and practical aspects of the topic.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants refer to the release of electrons from their orbit as "ionization" or "quantum jumps," depending on the context.
  • It is noted that the energy required to release an electron varies based on the atom and its initial state, with specific values mentioned for hydrogen (13.6 eV) and a suggestion to look up nitrogen's ionization potential.
  • One participant mentions that electrons can be released through methods such as radiation or friction.
  • There is a discussion about the inadequacy of the classical model of electrons in fixed orbits, with a suggestion that electrons behave more like standing waves and are described by probability density functions.
  • Another participant argues that while the classical model is simplistic, it can still be useful for basic discussions about ionization.
  • Concerns are raised about the classical model's failure to explain phenomena such as line spectra and the behavior of electrons in relation to radiated energy.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the adequacy of classical models versus quantum mechanical descriptions, indicating a lack of consensus on the best way to conceptualize electron behavior and ionization.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight that the energy required for ionization is dependent on various factors, including the specific atom and its electronic state, and that the classical model may not fully capture the complexities of electron dynamics.

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Latley, I have been doing some internet surfing on the release of electrons from their obit of an atom. I just have a few questions. What is it called when electrons are released from their orbit? How much energy does it take? What are the diffrent ways electrons can be released?
 
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Orbit changes are called quantum jumps. The amount of energy depends on several factors, which atom and the initial and final states.
 
Kalrag said:
Latley, I have been doing some internet surfing on the release of electrons from their obit of an atom. I just have a few questions. What is it called when electrons are released from their orbit? How much energy does it take? What are the diffrent ways electrons can be released?

It is called a free electron.

Each atom requires a different amount of energy to take an electron from it's ground state to a state of zero potential energy, where it is free. The Hydrogen atom is around 13MeV I think. The classical analog of the energy it takes to remove bowling balls from holes of different depth.

You can release electrons with radiation or friction.
 
The expulsion of an electron completely from an atom (not just exciting it to a higher orbital) is also called "ionization" and as mentioned, the energy required for it depends on the state the electron is in before it is "kicked out" and size of the atom (what element and isotope).

The most commonly used in Quantum Mechanics is the energy required to ionize a Hydrogen atom from its ground state energy and that is 13.6eV
 
Thanks for the information so far. What is the energy required to release electrons from nitrogen?
 
Google "nitrogen ionization potential"
 
The model of electrons in simple "orbits" around an atom is not a good one any more. All we can say about an electron in a 'bound state' is that is in a sort of nebulous position, somewhere around the atom (a so called probability density function) and behaves more like a standing wave than an orbiting satellite.

The energy needed to remove an electron from its bound state will depend very much upon the element. The easiest atoms to ionise are Group One, in the Periodic Table (a single electron in a so-called outer shell), which is screened from the (+)nucleus by all the other, inner (-) electrons. That can be achieved with only a very few Volts of potential.
Nitrogen will be much higher: Google it.
 
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The idea of electron orbitals as a classical analog to what's really going on in the atom is pretty good one as far as most basic ideas and applications are concerned, it's much simpler than a rigorous quantum mechanical description for purposes of talking about ionization, since the principles are the same: if that electron is given enough energy, it will escape the electromagnetic pull of the nucleus.
 
In as far as it fails to say why we get line spectra from the decay and that the electron doesn't spiral in through radiated energy, I'd say it was a pretty naff model, actually.
 

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