Question about the solar system and gravitational forces

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The discussion revolves around the effects of latitude, altitude, and distance from the sun on gravitational forces experienced by objects in the solar system. Participants explore how these factors might influence weight and gravitational field strength, both on Earth and in relation to the sun and other celestial bodies.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that latitude and altitude affect gravity on Earth, proposing that objects are lighter at the poles and heavier at the equator.
  • Another participant questions how distance from the sun affects weight, asking if being closer or farther from the sun would make an object heavier or lighter.
  • Some participants inquire about the gravitational field strength and its variation, particularly in relation to polar versus equatorial orbits.
  • A participant asserts that the strength of the sun's magnetic field would determine the gravitational field strength, which is challenged by another participant who emphasizes Newton's gravitational formula.
  • There is a discussion about the role of radius in determining gravitational force, with one participant providing a specific distance related to Mercury.
  • Clarifications are sought regarding the implications of latitude on weight in relation to the sun's equator and the concept of "at the same distance" in orbital contexts.
  • One participant explains that weight on Earth varies due to the centripetal acceleration caused by Earth's rotation, which is greatest at the equator and zero at the poles.
  • Another participant notes that planets in orbit do not have weight in the traditional sense, as they are not on the surface of the sun, and emphasizes that gravitational force varies according to mass and distance.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on how gravitational forces operate, particularly regarding the influence of latitude and distance from the sun. There is no consensus on the role of the sun's magnetic field or the implications of being at different latitudes in relation to gravitational effects.

Contextual Notes

Some discussions involve assumptions about gravitational forces that may not be fully explored, such as the effects of centripetal acceleration and the definition of weight in different contexts. The implications of being at different latitudes in relation to the sun's equator remain unresolved.

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Simple question about gravity and coordinates.
Alright, so I have a question. Now, on planets such as our Earth, there are a longitude and latitude as well as altitude. If I am not mistaken, I believe the latitude and altitude are part of what affects gravity, or weight, on a planet. Latitude makes it so that the object in question is lighter at the poles and heavier at the equator, and altitude makes it so that the gravity weakens the higher something goes and increases the closer it is to the center. Now...

What about the solar system? If the object were closer or farther from the sun, would they be heavier or lighter respectively? Likewise, if the object were above the plane where planets orbit or below it, being closer to either of the poles of the sun or at the equator of the sun while orbiting around it, would it be weaker or stronger depending on how close the object is to the equator?

Also, would this apply to the rest of the galaxy outside solar systems? Do I need to explain more or provide more statistics?
 
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What determines the gravitational field strength? Why is the weight different at the poles and the equator? Would this apply to an object in polar vs. equatorial orbit, at the same distance?
 
mjc123 said:
What determines the gravitational field strength? Why is the weight different at the poles and the equator? Would this apply to an object in polar vs. equatorial orbit, at the same distance?
I am not sure if I follow the last two questions. In the case of the first one in the solar system, though, I believe the strength of the sun's magnetic field would determine the strength of the gravitational field.
 
Nothing to do with the magnetic field. What's Newton's formula for the gravitational force?
 
I am sure it is F=G (Gravitational Constant) x ((Mass 1 x Mass 2)/Radius Squared), where G = 6.674×10−11 m3⋅kg−1⋅s−2, unless I am missing something for planets.
 
Yes. So for two bodies of fixed mass M1 and M2, what will cause the gravitational force to vary?
 
I say the radius would, if I am not mistaken. Say in this case, the radius of an object, which will be 70 kilograms, by the way, is 68.895 billion meters, roughly the distance from the sun to the planet, Mercury.
 
OK. So how does this apply to
(i) an object on the surface of the Earth at the pole vs the equator?
(ii) an object in polar vs. equatorial orbit (at the same distance)?
 
What I was trying to say is, or ask: would being at a certain latitude that may not be at the plane where the planets orbit the sun affect the weight of the object like how being at the poles or equator at the Earth affects the weight of the object?

I still don't know what you mean by "at the same distance" for the second question, though. Sorry for not understanding.
 
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Sundown444 said:
What I was trying to say is, or ask: would being at a certain latitude that may not be at the plane where the planets orbit the sun affect the weight of the object like how being at the poles or equator at the Earth affects the weight of the object?

I still don't know what you mean by "at the same distance" for the second question, though. Sorry for not understanding.
First, an object on the surface of the Earth is not in a gravitational orbit. The weight of that object is defined as the force between it and the Earth's surface. If the Earth were not spinning, then the weight would be constant across the globe. But, as the Earth is spinning some of the gravitational force is required to provide the centripetal acceleration. This is greatest at the equator and zero at the poles. This results in the object's weight varying across the Earth.

The planets are in gravitational orbits and technically have no weight - as they are not on the surface of the Sun.. There is only the gravitational force, which varies according to mass and distance; there are no other factors.
 
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PeroK said:
First, an object on the surface of the Earth is not in a gravitational orbit. The weight of that object is defined as the force between it and the Earth's surface. If the Earth were not spinning, then the weight would be constant across the globe. But, as the Earth is spinning some of the gravitational force is required to provide the centripetal acceleration. This is greatest at the equator and zero at the poles. This results in the object's weight varying across the Earth.

The planets are in gravitational orbits and have technically have no weight - as they are not on the surface of the Sun.. There is only the gravitational force, which varies according to mass and distance; there are no other factors.
Okay, I think I get it now. Just wanted to make sure. Thanks.
 

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