Question about voltage polarity and power

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The discussion revolves around the concepts of voltage polarity, charge movement, and their implications in electrical circuits. Participants explore the relationship between positive and negative charges, the assignment of voltage polarity, and the interpretation of current and voltage directions in relation to power transfer.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants explain that moving a positive charge from one point to another results in the assignment of voltage polarities based on the work done, but the reasoning behind this assignment is questioned.
  • One participant describes how the presence of positive and negative charges affects the charge distribution and polarity, emphasizing that polarity is a consequence of charge movement rather than an arbitrary assignment.
  • There is confusion regarding the conventional current flow, with participants questioning whether positive charges are repelled by positive concentrations or attracted by negative charges.
  • Another participant notes the passive sign convention, stating that the direction of voltage is opposite to current flow, but expresses confusion about the underlying reasons for this relationship.
  • Participants discuss the significance of voltage and current signs in determining the direction of energy flow, with one participant highlighting the importance of polarity signs in understanding power transfer.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding and confusion regarding the concepts discussed, indicating that multiple competing views remain on the assignment of voltage polarity and the interpretation of current flow. The discussion does not reach a consensus on these issues.

Contextual Notes

Some participants acknowledge the complexity of the concepts and the potential for misunderstanding, particularly regarding the definitions of voltage, current, and their relationship to power. There are unresolved questions about the implications of charge movement and polarity assignment.

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Hello,

If a positive charge is moved from point b to a, then we say a is positive to point b, and assign negative polarity to point b.
If a negative charge is moved from a to b, we still say the same.

Why? Please explain in simple terms if possible. Another question, if current and voltage polarity are in opposite directions of a circuit component it supplied power to the circuit, and if negative it takes power..why?
 
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If you have a positive charge - then wherever that charge is, is positively charged. Wherever it used to be, if there was nothing else there, is neutrally charged. Everywhere the charge is not, is neutrally charged.

If you have a negative charge - then wherever that charge is, is negatively charged. Wherever it used to be, if there was nothing else there, is neutrally charged. Everywhere the charge is not, is neutrally charged.

If we have two neutrally charged materials, A and B, however, and we take a positive charge from B and place it on A, then, A becomes positive because we added a positive charge and B becomes negative because we removed a positive charge (an extra negative one was left behind). If we had, instead, removed a negative charge from A and moved it to B, then B becomes negative because we added a negative charge, and A becomes positive because there is now a positive charge left behind that was previously canceled by the negative charge we just moved away.

We are not "assigning" the polarity here - what happened is a consequence of there being an equal number of positive and negative charges to start with.

That help?
 
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Simon Bridge said:
If

That help?

Yes, it was an excellent explanation!
thank you. :smile:

But about polarity, this is what scams outlines says..that if moving a positive charge from b to a results in work done, then a is assigned positive voltage polarity and b negative. I don't completely understand why.
 
In particular I never understood this...when we say in conventional current that the positive charges flow to the negative, do we mean:

1. The positive charges are repulsed by the positive concentration towards the negative.
2. The negative charges attract positive charges towards them.
3. Both.

I know voltage is with respect to a point in the circuit, usually the source of voltage. Why is it called voltage rise when a positive charge goes from point b to a? (b is negative while a is positive polarity?) does the polarity of voltage mean higher potential vs lower potential>

I understood this: The passive sign convention states that for any device the direction of voltage (- to +) is opposite to current flow, which fits in with the model of the charge. I just want to know why because I feel very confused.
 
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Bipolar Demon said:
I understood this: The passive sign convention states that for any device the direction of voltage (- to +) is opposite to current flow, which fits in with the model of the charge. I just want to know why because I feel very confused.
You need to avoid getting into generalisations here. A Current, in the form of a flow of charged particles can be in the opposite direction to the applied voltage, if the PD is only managing to slow down an already high speed beam of charged particles.
 
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Bipolar Demon said:
Another question, if current and voltage polarity are in opposite directions of a circuit component it supplied power to the circuit, and if negative it takes power..why?
Voltage * Current = Power. Power is the rate of energy transfer in Joules per second.
The signs determine which way the energy is travelling.

We usually ignore the signs because we know what is happening, but the polarity signs are really very important as they indicate the direction of energy flow.
 
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ok..I think I got it.
 
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