Question about water weight and pressure

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The problem involves a circular wine barrel that will burst under a specific net upward force, with a tube extending into it. The question seeks to determine the weight of water needed in the tube to reach that force threshold, considering the pressures involved.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relationship between pressure and force, with some attempting to calculate areas and pressures involved. Questions arise about how to incorporate atmospheric pressure and the correct values for cross-sectional areas.

Discussion Status

Some participants have made attempts to apply pressure equations, while others express uncertainty about their calculations and the use of atmospheric pressure. There is a mix of exploratory reasoning and clarification of concepts, with no clear consensus yet.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the challenge of using the correct area values for the tube and barrel, and there is mention of the initial conditions of the problem, such as the tube being empty and the barrel being full.

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So the question asks:

A circular wine barrel 75 cm in diameter will burst if the net upward force exerted on the top of the barrel is 643 N. A tube 1.0 cm in diameter extends into the barrel through a hole in the top. Initially the barrel is filled to the top and the tube is empty above that level. What weight of water must be poured into the tube to burst the barrel?

I understand that the initially pressure in the tube is Patm before any water has been poured into it and that that pressure will later become P = Patm + Pwater(g)(h) but I can't seem to figure out how to answer the question.

Any help would be appreciated!
 
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Use the pressure vs force equation: p=f/a to relate the force on the top of the barrel to the pressure of water in the tube.
 
I never done anything with pressures so I might be wrong, but this is what I did:

Area of small tube = 7.85e-5m^2
Area of barrel = 0.446^2

P1=F1/7.85e-5m

F2=643N=P1(0.446m^2)
So P1= 1441 Pa

Then I solved for F1, getting 0.113N which divided by 9.8 gives .0115Kg of water.
I omitted the atmospheric pressure because I have no clue how to use it.

And again, first time I even see the formula for Pressure so I'm possibly wrong (my final answer is pretty weird to be real).
 
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i tried to relate those formulas but i don't know what i am supposed to use as a value for A
 
lyndan said:
i tried to relate those formulas but i don't know what i am supposed to use as a value for A

Hi lyndan! :smile:

You've probably worked this out by now,

but in case you haven't, you'll need to use A twice …

once for the cross-section area of the tube, and once for the cross-section area of the barrel. :wink:
 

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