Question: Can a boosted frame remove unwanted terms from a transformed metric?

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The discussion revolves around the transformation of a specific metric and the implications for the Einstein tensor under a coordinate transformation. Participants explore whether a boosted frame can effectively remove unwanted terms from the transformed metric, examining the nature of the transformation and its physical validity.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a metric with an Einstein tensor and proposes a transformation to diagonalize it, questioning if the resulting Einstein tensor will match the transformed form.
  • Another participant asserts that the transformation of a rank-2 tensor should yield the expected results, but expresses doubts about the specifics of the transformation in this case.
  • A different viewpoint suggests that while the transformation might work if it were a frame field, the current transformation does not meet that criterion, raising concerns about its validity.
  • One participant points out a potential contradiction in the transformation, indicating that the dependencies of certain terms on both r and t may render the proposed transformation impossible.
  • A later reply acknowledges the potential issues with the transformation but mentions finding an alternative boosted frame that successfully removes unwanted terms.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing opinions on the validity of the proposed transformation and its implications for the Einstein tensor. There is no consensus on whether the transformation can be considered valid or if it leads to a physical metric.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations regarding the assumptions made about the dependencies of certain terms in the metric, as well as the nature of the transformation itself. These factors contribute to the ongoing uncertainty in the discussion.

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A certain metric gives an Einstein tensor that has the form below. The coordinate labelling is
[itex]x^0=t,\ x^1=r,\ x^2=\theta,\ x^3=\phi[/itex]
[tex] G_{\mu\nu}= \left[ \begin{array}{cccc}<br /> A & B & 0 & 0\\<br /> B & p1 & 0 & 0\\<br /> 0 & 0 & p2 & 0\\<br /> 0 & 0 & 0 & p3<br /> \end{array} \right][/tex]
where [itex]A,B,C,p1,p2,p3[/itex] are functions of t and r. A transformation [itex]\Lambda[/itex] so [itex]\Lambda^\mu_\rho\ \Lambda^\nu_\sigma\ G_{\mu\nu}[/itex] is diagonal is easily found,
[tex] \Lambda^\mu_\rho=\left[ \begin{array}{cccc}<br /> 1 & -\frac{B}{p1} & 0 & 0\\<br /> 0 & 1 & 0 & 0\\<br /> 0 & 0 & 1 & 0\\<br /> 0 & 0 & 0 & 1<br /> \end{array} \right][/tex]
This seems to be transforming [itex]t[/itex] into [itex]T=t-h\ r[/itex] where [itex]h=B/p1[/itex]. This can be used to give the differential transformation
[tex] dT=dt -hdr-rdh=dt-hdr-r(\partial_t h\ dt + \partial_r h\ dr)[/tex]
so we can find [itex]dt^2[/itex] and substitute into the original metric to get a transformed one written in coordinates [itex]T,r,\theta,\phi[/itex].

Question: will the Einstein tensor obtained from the transformed metric be [itex]\Lambda^\mu_\rho\ \Lambda^\nu_\sigma\ G_{\mu\nu}[/itex] ?

I think it will be but I haven't convinced myself.
 
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Mentz114 said:
Question: will the Einstein tensor obtained from the transformed metric be [itex]\Lambda^\mu_\rho\ \Lambda^\nu_\sigma\ G_{\mu\nu}[/itex] ?

Isn't this true regardless of the specifics of the problem, just because that's how a rank-2 tensor transforms?
 
bcrowell said:
Isn't this true regardless of the specifics of the problem, just because that's how a rank-2 tensor transforms?
That is what I think - but I have some doubts.

It would be true if [itex]\Lambda[/itex] were a frame field, i.e. a transformation from the coordinate basis to a frame basis - but it's not.

In the untransformed Einstein tensor, the terms I've called [itex]p1[/itex] etc do come out as isotropic pressure, i.e. [itex]p1=Pg_{11}[/itex], with the same P in all three. So if the off-diagonal terms were absent, it might be a static perfect fluid with pressure. Can one change an unphysical metric to a physical one with a coordinate transformation ? It seems too easy.
 
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I could be all wet here, but it looks like your lambda is impossible as a coordinate transform. I think the (0,0) component being 1 is saying you must have T=t + f(r). Your solution would then be possible if B and p1 depended only on r. But you've said they depend on r and t. Contradiction.
 
PAllen said:
I could be all wet here, but it looks like your lambda is impossible as a coordinate transform. I think the (0,0) component being 1 is saying you must have T=t + f(r). Your solution would then be possible if B and p1 depended only on r. But you've said they depend on r and t. Contradiction.

I think you're right. It's a bust.

But I have found a boosted frame that removes the unwanted terms, which is what I should have done in the first place.
 
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