Question concerning curl for finding a conservative force field

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The discussion centers on the mathematical principles governing conservative force fields, specifically the equations F = ∇φ and ∇ × F = 0. Participants clarify that demonstrating the relationships f_y = g_x, f_z = h_x, and g_z = h_y, where subscripts denote partial derivatives, is essential for proving these principles. The conversation highlights the importance of understanding the joint expression of these equations through determinants, which ultimately confirms the conditions for a force field to be conservative.

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Hello all,
I understand the fact that the principles
LaTeX Code: F= \\nabla \\phi .

LaTeX Code: \\nabla \\times F = 0 .

must apply in order for a force field to be conservative however what i don't get is why showing:

LaTeX Code: f_y= g_x, f_z= h_x, g_z= h_y
where subscripts are what you are taking the derivative with respect to.

is a means to prove the above laws are in effect. i assume it has to do with the fact that subtracting the partial derivatives will give you zero. thank you very much for any help

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You should specify what [tex]f[/tex], [tex]g[/tex] and [tex]h[/tex] are. It does look like you're using the fact that you can jointly express the two statements as

[tex]\nabla\times\nabla\phi = \mathrm{det}\begin{pmatrix}\hat{\mathbf{i}} && \hat{\mathbf{j}} && \hat{\mathbf{k}}\\\delta_x && \delta_y && \delta_z\\ \delta_x\phi && \delta_y\phi && \delta_z\phi\end{pmatrix}[/tex],
meaning, for example,
[tex] \hat{\mathbf{i}}(\delta_y\delta_z - \delta_z\delta_y)\phi=0,[/tex]
but not knowing [tex]f[/tex], [tex]g[/tex] and [tex]h[/tex], I can't comment further.
 
oh haha that should have been obvious thank you very much that clears everything up perfectly
 

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