Question: How to Justify the Steps in Proving a Limit?

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The discussion revolves around proving the limit of a function as x approaches -2, specifically lim x->-2 (x^2-1)=3. The participants are exploring the epsilon-delta definition of limits in the context of this problem.

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  • Participants discuss the steps involved in proving the limit, particularly focusing on the manipulation of inequalities and the implications of certain assumptions. There is a specific inquiry into the validity of the expression |x-2|<-3 and its implications for the proof.

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Some participants have provided clarifications regarding the inequalities and the relationship between |x+2| and |x-2|. There is an ongoing exploration of the reasoning behind these steps, with some participants questioning the assumptions made and the interpretations of the inequalities.

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There is a mention of constraints regarding the values of epsilon and delta, as well as the need to justify each step in the limit proof. Participants are also navigating the implications of the absolute value in their reasoning.

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Hello,

I'm having trouble with a step;I was wondering if someone could shed some light on me. Thanks.

Prove that lim x->-2 (x^2-1)=3

0<|f(x)-L|<epsilon whenever 0<|x-a|<delta

0<|(x^2-1)-3|<epsilon whenever 0<|x-(-2)<delta
= |x^2-4|<epsilon
= |(x-2)(x+2)|<epsilon
= |x-2||x+2|<epsilon
= If |x-2|<C (C=constant) then |x-2||x+2|<C|x+2|
= C|x+2|<epsilon = |x+2|<epsilon/C

Assume |x+2|<1 so -1<x+2<1 = -3<x<-1 = -5<x-2<-3

After this step -5<x-2<-3, I'm inclined to set |x-2|<-3, but book states that |x-2|<5. I'm lost at this step, should it be|-5|? Anyways, any explanations would be great.

Thanks,
Chris
 
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hmm? said:
Assume |x+2|<1 so -1<x+2<1 = -3<x<-1 = -5<x-2<-3

After this step -5<x-2<-3, I'm inclined to set |x-2|<-3, but book states that |x-2|<5. I'm lost at this step, should it be|-5|?

You've shown that: |x+2|<1 <=> -5<x-2<-3
This implies that |x-2|<5, simply because x-2<-3 means that surely x-2<5, so that -5<x-2<5, or |x-2|<5.

You wrote |x-2|<-3, which is never true because the left side is positive and the right side isn't. Did you mean |x-2|<3?
 
Small detail that is important:

Prove that lim x->-2 (x^2-1)=3

0<|f(x)-L|<epsilon whenever 0<|x-a|<delta

You only want to prove that "|f(x)-L|<epsilon whenever 0<|x-a|<delta".

In other words, f(x) can be = L.
 
Perhaps this way would work:

Prove that lim x->-2 (x^2-1)=3
let E > 0 be given
and:
|f(x) - L|
= |x^2 - 4|
= |(x - 2)(x + 2)|
= |x - 2||x + 2|
if 0 < |x + 2| < 1 then,
-3 < x < -1
|x - 2| < 5
< 5|x + 2|
therefore:
if 0 < |x + 2| < 1 and 5|x + 2| < E
then by transitivity of <(less than), |f(x) - L| < E
or reworded:
if D = minimum(1, E/5), then |f(x) - L| < E

(where E = epsilon; D = delta)
 
Sorry this part:
if 0 < |x + 2| < 1 then,
-3 < x < -1
|x - 2| < 5
is a "side part"
 
Galileo said:
You've shown that: |x+2|<1 <=> -5<x-2<-3
This implies that |x-2|<5, simply because x-2<-3 means that surely x-2<5, so that -5<x-2<5, or |x-2|<5.

Alright this kinda clarifies my question, so -5 is like the min? Which would grant -5<x-2<5--since epsilon can never be E<0 - the absolute value is necessary? Sorry if I come off a bit slow, but it's just that I'm trying to justify every step so I completely understand the concept.
 
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