Question involving the solution to a Lagrange Differential Equation

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around solving a Lagrange differential equation represented by the expression y = xf(y') + g(y'). Participants are exploring the integration of a derived first-order linear differential equation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the integration of the expression ∫ f'(P) dP/(P - f(P)) and consider substitutions to simplify the integral. There is uncertainty about how to proceed with the resulting terms after substitution.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered substitutions and noted the simplification of the integral, while others express uncertainty about further simplification without additional information about the function f. The discussion reflects a collaborative exploration of the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the need for specific information about the function f to advance the integration process. There is also a reference to external resources related to Lagrange differential equations.

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Homework Statement



y = xf(y') + g(y')

Let y' = P
taking d/dx and rearranging gives

dx/dP - xf'(P)/{P - f(P)} = g'(P)/(P - f(P))

a 1st order linear differential equation in standard form.

Homework Equations



When I attempt to solve by the suggested standard method, I end up with the following integral:

[tex]\int f'(P)dp/(P - f(P))[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution


I'm at a loss as how to go about integrating it.
 
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Try the substitution [itex]u(p)=p-f(p)[/itex]
 
I did and I got

[tex]\int dP/u(P) - ln|u(P)|[/tex]
What do I do with the 1st term?
 
I don't think you can simplify it any further without knowing what [itex]f[/itex] is. At least your integral no longer involves [itex]f'[/itex] though.
 
P = y' ; y' = dy/dx I believe.

The following site lays it out: http://www.newcircuits.com/articles.php
under Lagrange differential equation.

I was lead to this site after setting up the Euler-Lagrange equations in r,phi,theta, and became curious as to how to solve them or what kind of solutions they have. ie exact, series. Thanks.
 

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