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The discussion revolves around the concept of arc length parameterization in vector functions, particularly focusing on the transition between different parameters in the context of line equations. Participants explore the implications of parameter choices on the representation of curves in vector form.

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  • One participant questions the book's approach to changing parameters, arguing that the parameter w should be the independent variable instead of t, as it relates to the vector value function.
  • Another participant presents an example of arc length parameterization, expressing concern about using the same variable t for both x and y components, suggesting that two independent variables should be employed.
  • Several participants discuss the representation of vector components in terms of a parameter t, illustrating how the vector can be defined based on t's values and the resulting coordinates.
  • One participant reiterates the definition of the vector R(t) in terms of its components, emphasizing the continuity of values as t varies.

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Participants express differing views on the appropriate parameters to use in vector functions, with no consensus reached on whether t alone is sufficient or if multiple parameters are necessary.

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There are unresolved questions regarding the dependence on parameter choices and the implications for the representation of vector functions. The discussion highlights potential ambiguities in the definitions and applications of parameters in the context of arc length.

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This is an example in book by Howard Anton:

Vector form of line is ##\vec r=\vec r_0+t\vec v## where ##\vec v## is parallel with the line. So both ##\vec r## and ##\vec r_0## are POSITION VECTORS.

To change parameters,
1)Let u=t ##\Rightarrow\; \vec r=\vec r_0+u\vec v##.

2) ##\frac {d\vec r}{du}=\vec v\;\Rightarrow\;|\frac {d\vec r}{du}|=|\vec v|##

##s=\int_0^t |\frac {d\vec r}{du}|du=t|\vec v|\;\Rightarrow\; t=\frac{s}{|\vec v|}##

3)##\Rightarrow\; \vec r=\vec r_0+\frac{s}{|\vec v|}\vec v##
My question is in #2 above. In order for ##\frac {d\vec r}{du}=\vec v## which is the tangent vector of the curve traced by ##\vec r ##, ##\vec r ## has to be a VECTOR VALUE FUNCTION, NOT JUST A POSITION VECTOR. This means ##\vec r =\vec r(w)## where w is the independent variable that make the tip of ##\vec r## tracing out the line when w increases or decreases.( of cause it can be a vector value function of many variables also).

As you see, my problem is there are TWO parameters, t and w. The book only change parameter of t, which has nothing to do with the vector value function ##\vec r(w)##. t only tell the line is multiple of ##\vec v##. In another word, this example totally miss the point in changing parameter. The parameter needed to be change is w, not t.

Please comment on this.
 
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Further more, the next example is to find arc length parametrization of the line where ##x=2t+1,\;y=3t-2## with ##\vec r_0=<1,-2>## and parallel to vector ##\vec v=\hat x 2+\hat y 3##

##\Rightarrow \vec r=\vec r_0+s\frac{\vec v}{|\vec v|}=(\hat x-\hat y 2)+s\frac{\hat x 2 +\hat y 3}{\sqrt{13}}##

Thereby after change of parameter:

##x=\frac {2}{\sqrt{13}}s+1,\;y=\frac {3}{\sqrt{13}}s-2##
This example use the same variable t as the parameter for x and y. Can you even do that? As I explained in the last post, there should be two independent variables w and t, not just t alone. Please comment on this also. I am confused.
 
The components of a vector can be expressed in terms of some parameter t. In post 2 above, think of the x and y as being the number of unit vectors i and j combined, according to values for the third parameter t.

If the vector R(t) = [x(t), y(t)], then as t runs from 0 to 2, R(0) = [1,-2] thru R(2) = [5,4] and all values in between, consistent with the definition of x and y in terms of t.

Essentially, R could be defined as R(t) = [(2t+1),(3t-2)] instead.
 
SteamKing said:
The components of a vector can be expressed in terms of some parameter t. In post 2 above, think of the x and y as being the number of unit vectors i and j combined, according to values for the third parameter t.

If the vector R(t) = [x(t), y(t)], then as t runs from 0 to 2, R(0) = [1,-2] thru R(2) = [5,4] and all values in between, consistent with the definition of x and y in terms of t.

Essentially, R could be defined as R(t) = [(2t+1),(3t-2)] instead.

Thanks for the response, I also work it out while I was waiting. Thanks.
 

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