Question on electromagnetic repulsion

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the challenges faced in using a homemade electromagnet to repel a small permanent magnet. Participants explore the mechanics of electromagnetic forces, including attraction and repulsion, and consider the specifications of the materials used in the setup.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes their setup with an electromagnet made from an iron nail, insulated copper wiring, and a 9v battery, noting that it only attracts the permanent magnet instead of repelling it.
  • Another participant suggests that the attraction might be due to the force of the permanent magnet being stronger than the repulsive force of the electromagnet.
  • A different participant emphasizes the importance of providing specific dimensions and characteristics of the magnets and power source to better diagnose the issue.
  • One participant recommends using a 1.5 D cell instead of a 9v battery, citing the resistance of copper wires and suggesting a specific length of wire for optimal performance.
  • The original poster provides additional details about the permanent magnet's size and expresses uncertainty about the wire used and the number of coils in the electromagnet.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the cause of the attraction versus repulsion issue, and multiple viewpoints regarding the effectiveness of different power sources and configurations remain present.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include a lack of specific measurements for the wire used and the number of coils in the electromagnet, as well as the absence of detailed electrical specifications for the power source.

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This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in electromagnetism, DIY electronics, or those experimenting with magnetic forces in practical applications.

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I have made a simple electromagnet with an iron nail, insulated copper wiring, and a 9v battery. My intention is to use the electromagnet to repel a small permanent magnet, but for some reason, I can only get the electromagnet to attract the permanent magnet. I figure I must have a problem with connecting the poles (S to S or N to N.)

I'm thinking maybe this is happening because the force of the permanent magnet being attracted to the nail is greater than the force of the magnetic repulsion.

Any suggestions? What can I do to get repulsion?

Thanks
 
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willynilly said:
I'm thinking maybe this is happening because the force of the permanent magnet being attracted to the nail is greater than the force of the magnetic repulsion.

An object cannot be attracted, but yet be repealed at the same time. You should have at least posted some dimensions of the magnet (length, width, mass, etc.) and the type of battery that you are using and the current that it delivers.
 
Because of the resistance of copper wires, you are much better off getting a 1.5 D cell for your power source. 24 Ga copper wire is about 38 ft per ohm, so you should use about 100 ft for your coil.
 
The permanent magnet is circular, about 1-inch diameter and about 1/4 inch thick. It's not very powerful.

The nail is 6 inches long. I have no idea how many feet of wire I used or how many coils, but the entire thing is covered.

Hopefully I have a 1.5 D cell laying around somewhere that I can try out.

Thanks for everyone's help.
 

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