Question on N-dimensional Lie Groups

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The discussion revolves around the infinitesimal generators of the special orthogonal group SO(n) and the relationship between the Lie algebra sl(n,C) and the general linear algebra gl(n,C). Participants explore methods for computing these algebras in n-dimensions, addressing both theoretical and practical aspects.

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  • One participant seeks clarification on finding the infinitesimal generators of SO(n), suggesting a connection to n-dimensional rotation matrices.
  • Another participant proposes a direct proof that sl(n) is an ideal of gl(n) by showing that the commutator of matrices in these algebras remains in sl(n), utilizing the property of the trace.
  • A third participant confirms the previous approach regarding sl(n) and elaborates on the structure of the generators for so(n), noting their antisymmetric nature and the resulting count of independent elements in the corresponding matrix.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the approaches to both the infinitesimal generators of SO(n) and the ideal property of sl(n) within gl(n). However, the initial participant expresses uncertainty about the methods to compute these algebras in n-dimensions.

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The discussion highlights the complexity of working in n-dimensions and the potential for varying interpretations of the mathematical structures involved. Some assumptions about the properties of matrices and traces are implicit but not fully explored.

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This discussion may be useful for students and researchers in mathematics and physics, particularly those interested in Lie groups, Lie algebras, and their applications in higher dimensions.

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I'm currently learning Lie groups/algebras and I am trying to find the infinitesimal generators of the special orthogonal group SO(n). It is the n-dimensions that throws me off. I know that the answer is [itex]n(n-1)/2[/itex] generators of the form,

[tex]X_{\rho,\sigma}=-i\left(x_{\rho}\frac{\partial}{\partial x_{\sigma}}-x_{\sigma}\frac{\partial}{\partial x_{\rho}}\right)[/tex]

where [itex]1\leq x_{\rho}\leq n[/itex] such that [itex]\sigma > \rho[/itex], but how do I get this? The only way I could think of is somehow trying to find the n-dimensional rotation matrix in general and then going from there (I have actually tried this and it gets me something similar)--there must be a simpler way though.

I also run into this problem in other areas of the book I am using. For example attempting to establish that the Lie algebra sl(n,C) is an ideal of gl(n,C). I guess I am looking for some advice on how to compute these algebras in n-dimensions. Thanks in advance for any help/suggestions, and let me know if I can make anything more clear.
 
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Can't you prove that sl(n) is an ideal of gl(n) directly? You know that sl(n) is the subset of gl(n) consisting of matrices of trace zero. So prove that for A in sl(n) and B in gl(n), [A,B] is in sl(n). Use the fact that tr(AB) = tr(BA). (You could also note that the trace is a Lie algebra homomorphism gl(n) -> C with kernel sl(n).)
 
Adriank is correct about the approach to sl(n) being an ideal of gl(n).

As for the dimensions of so(n), the representation you give for the generators is clearly antisymmetric in [tex]\rho[/tex] and [tex]\sigma[/tex]. This means you can group your generators [tex]X_{\rho \sigma}[/tex] into a matrix where [tex]X_{\sigma\rho}=-X_{\rho \sigma}[/tex], ie a [tex]n\times n[/tex] antisymmetric matrix. The only independent elements in such a matrix are (say) the upper right triangle. This has [tex]1 + 2 + \ldots + n-1 = \tfrac12 n(n-1)[/tex] elements.
 
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thanks very much to both of you. the answers to both questions actually seem quite obvious after the fact. hah
 

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