Question on Quantum Physics- Probability of finding a particle

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The discussion revolves around the probability of finding a particle described by two wavefunctions in quantum physics. The wavefunctions are given as ψ1(x) = √re-|r|x and ψ2(x) = -√re-|r|x, and participants are exploring the implications of these functions on the probabilities associated with measuring the particle's position.

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of the complex conjugate of the wavefunctions and the integration process to determine probabilities. There is uncertainty about the correctness of the integration steps and the implications of the negative sign in the second wavefunction.

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Some participants express confusion regarding their approaches and seek guidance on whether their reasoning is valid. There is a recognition that the two wavefunctions may yield the same probabilities, but this is still under exploration without a definitive conclusion.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of quantum mechanics and the properties of wavefunctions, particularly in relation to phase factors and their impact on measurement outcomes. There is an emphasis on ensuring adherence to forum rules while discussing their findings.

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Homework Statement
Consider two states of a particle given by the wave functions
ψ1(x) = √re-|r|x and ψ2(x) = -√re-|r|x
The probability of finding the particle in the range -1/r < x < 1/r is p1 in the first state and p2 in the second state. Which of the following is appropriate?
(a) p1 = p2
(b) p1 = - p2
(c) p1 < p2
(d) p1 > p2
Relevant Equations
Integration {ψ(x)}{ψ(x)*} from -∞ to ∞=1
(* denotes conjugate)
I calculated the complex conjugate of both the given wavefunctions. For ψ1: ∫re^((-2)mod(r)x)dx=1 with upper limit ∞ & lower limit -∞. I replaced the upper and lower limit after breaking down the function inside integration as follows- r*∫e^(2rx)dx from -1/r to 0 and r*e∫e^(-2rx)dx from 0 to 1/r. The answer was 1-1/e^2 which equals 0.86.

I repeated the above steps for ψ2 and similarly obtained 0.86. However, I am somewhat not sure if I have proceeded correctly.
 
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warhammer said:
Homework Statement: Consider two states of a particle given by the wave functions
ψ1(x) = √re-|r|x and ψ2(x) = -√re-|r|x
The probability of finding the particle in the range -1/r < x < 1/r is p1 in the first state and p2 in the second state. Which of the following is appropriate?
(a) p1 = p2
(b) p1 = - p2
(c) p1 < p2
(d) p1 > p2
Homework Equations: Integration {ψ(x)}{ψ(x)*} from -∞ to ∞=1
(* denotes conjugate)

I calculated the complex conjugate of both the given wavefunctions. For ψ1: ∫re^((-2)mod(r)x)dx=1 with upper limit ∞ & lower limit -∞. I replaced the upper and lower limit after breaking down the function inside integration as follows- r*∫e^(2rx)dx from -1/r to 0 and r*e∫e^(-2rx)dx from 0 to 1/r. The answer was 1-1/e^2 which equals 0.86.

I repeated the above steps for ψ2 and similarly obtained 0.86. However, I am somewhat not sure if I have proceeded correctly.

Those wavefunctions look kinda simlilar to me.
 
PeroK said:
Those wavefunctions look kinda simlilar to me.
Yes. That is what I figured because when we find the complex conjugate, the negative sign for the second one would vanish and the functions on closer inspection would give us the same values upon integrating on the said limits. I found out the answer to be p1=p2 but I'm somewhat new to these concepts and confused whether my approach is correct or not. I hope this doesn't break the rules of the forum but since I have done the solution part myself would you be able to atleast guide me if I'm correct here or not?
 
warhammer said:
Yes. That is what I figured because when we find the complex conjugate, the negative sign for the second one would vanish and the functions on closer inspection would give us the same values upon integrating on the said limits. I found out the answer to be p1=p2 but I'm somewhat new to these concepts and confused whether my approach is correct or not. I hope this doesn't break the rules of the forum but since I have done the solution part myself would you be able to atleast guide me if I'm correct here or not?

The two wavefunctions are essentially equivalent in terms of measurements, probabilities and expectation values. You can see that as soon as you set up the two integrals, they are the same.

Any two wavefunctions that differ only by a "phase factor" - any complex number of unit modulus (in this case ##-1##) - have this property of returning the same probabilities. Again, you can see that as soon as you set up the integral.
 
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PeroK said:
The two wavefunctions are essentially equivalent in terms of measurements, probabilities and expectation values. You can see that as soon as you set up the two integrals, they are the same.

Any two wavefunctions that differ only by a "phase factor" - any complex number of unit modulus (in this case ##-1##) - have this property of returning the same probabilities. Again, you can see that as soon as you set up the integral.
Thank you for your help, got this one now :)
 

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