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The discussion revolves around finding the derivative of the function y = (x^2 + 4x + 3)/(x^(1/2)). Participants explore the implications of rewriting the function and the application of differentiation rules.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to rewrite the function in a different form and questions why this leads to a different derivative. Some participants suggest using the product rule and clarify the correct notation for derivatives.

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Participants are actively engaging with the original poster's confusion regarding the differentiation process. Some guidance has been provided on the correct application of differentiation rules and notation, but there is no explicit consensus on the best approach yet.

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There are indications of confusion regarding the use of derivative notation and the application of the product and quotient rules. The original poster expresses difficulty in communicating their work clearly in the forum format.

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Homework Statement


Write the derivative of y = (x2+4x+3)/(x1/2)

I got the correct answer, but my question is, why can't I rewrite this as:

y = (x^2+4x+3)*(1/x1/2)

Then see my attempted solution for the result...

Homework Equations


y = (x2+4x+3)/(x1/2)

The Attempt at a Solution



y = (x^2+4x+3)*(x-1/2)
d/dx = (2x+4)*(-1/2x-3/2)The problem is that this seems to drop out a term from the equation, because the answer that I got when treating each term as being divided by x1/2 gave me:

d/dx = 1.5x.5+2x-.5-3/(2x(x.5)), which was the answer in the book. Yeesh, sorry this is difficult to read over forums. I tried to use decimals to make it more readable over the forums, but I don't know if it helped. Maybe next time I'll post an image of my work. Sorry.

Anyways, when I did the method I show above, I get a different equation entirely because the term drops out due to the constant becoming a 0 in the derivative. However, it seems that I've followed all the laws correctly that I've been taught. That is, why can't I take each term as a derivative, and multiply it by another derivative?
 
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Because then you need to use the product rule. If you do that, you'll get the right answer.
 
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Okay, thanks. I just realized that I am going to come across that in the next section. :D
 
in the rye said:
y = (x^2+4x+3)*(x-1/2)
d/dx = (2x+4)*(-1/2x-3/2)
Two comments:
  1. In your second equation what you have is the product of the derivatives of the factors in the first equation. That's not how the product rule works. IOW, ##\frac d {dx} f(x) \cdot g(x) \ne f'(x) \cdot g'(x)##
  2. In your second equation you have "d/dx = ..." This is incorrect. The symbol ##\frac d {dx}## is an operator that requires something to operate on, and that appears just to the right of this operator. For the second equation, "dy/dx = " would be appropriate, but "d/dx = " is not, since you haven't shown what it is that you're taking the derivative of. It's a bit like writing √ = 3 or sin = 0.5.
 
in the rye said:

Homework Statement


Write the derivative of y = (x2+4x+3)/(x1/2)

I got the correct answer, but my question is, why can't I rewrite this as:

y = (x^2+4x+3)*(1/x1/2)

Then see my attempted solution for the result...

Homework Equations


y = (x2+4x+3)/(x1/2)

The Attempt at a Solution



y = (x^2+4x+3)*(x-1/2)
d/dx = (2x+4)*(-1/2x-3/2)The problem is that this seems to drop out a term from the equation, because the answer that I got when treating each term as being divided by x1/2 gave me:

d/dx = 1.5x.5+2x-.5-3/(2x(x.5)), which was the answer in the book. Yeesh, sorry this is difficult to read over forums. I tried to use decimals to make it more readable over the forums, but I don't know if it helped. Maybe next time I'll post an image of my work. Sorry.

Anyways, when I did the method I show above, I get a different equation entirely because the term drops out due to the constant becoming a 0 in the derivative. However, it seems that I've followed all the laws correctly that I've been taught. That is, why can't I take each term as a derivative, and multiply it by another derivative?

Please, please do NOT post an image; a typed version is much better, and is the PF standard.

Anyway, it might be easiest of all if you re-write your function before doing the derivative:
y = \frac{x^2 + 4x + 3}{x^{1/2}} = \frac{x^2}{x^{1/2}} + \frac{4x}{x^{1/2}} + \frac{3}{x^{1/2}} \\<br /> \\<br /> = x^{3/2} + 4 x^{1/2} + 3 x^{-1/2}
In this last form you can just differentiate term-by-term, and so do not need the product or quotient rules.
 
The derivative should be denoted by dy/dx, not d/dx. dy/dx means f'(x), where f is the function defined implicitly by the previously stated relationship between x and y.
 

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