Question regarding Ferranti effect

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The discussion revolves around the Ferranti effect, specifically addressing the behavior of voltage and current in transmission lines, particularly in relation to capacitive and inductive elements. Participants explore the phase relationships and the implications of these relationships on voltage and current at the receiving end of a line.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why the phasor for the Ferranti effect shows the voltage of capacitive current leading by 90 degrees, seeking clarification on this phase relationship.
  • Another participant references external sources to explain that voltage is not equivalent to power and discusses the concept of voltage as the work done on a unit charge, noting that power is the product of voltage and current.
  • A participant expresses confusion regarding the phase relationship, stating that they do not understand why the voltage drop across an inductor is said to lead capacitive current by 90 degrees, suggesting that inductors typically cause a lag in phase.
  • One participant explains that in an open circuit, the line current consists only of leakage capacitive current and discusses the implications of current leading voltage in terms of required supply voltage for a given receiving voltage.
  • A later reply acknowledges the basic nature of the explanation regarding the phase relationship of inductor current and voltage, indicating a positive reception of the clarification.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the phase relationships between voltage and current in the context of the Ferranti effect, with some seeking clarification and others providing explanations. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific phase relationships and their implications.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the understanding of phase relationships, particularly concerning the behavior of inductors and capacitors in the context of the Ferranti effect. Some assumptions about circuit conditions, such as open circuits and leakage currents, are also present but not fully explored.

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the phasor for ferranti is

ferranti-effect-in-transmission-line1.gif

Why is BC drawn facing left? I get it's voltage of capactive current across the line inductance. But why is it leading capacitive current by 90 degrees.

Also physically how does receiving end voltage increase without any drop of receiving current? Where does the power come from?
 
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In my opinion your sketch is taken from:

http://wangyj.ee.yuntech.edu.tw/PQLAB2_Web/elec_machine/Ferranti%20Effect.pdf

you said:

"But why is it leading capacitive current by 90 degrees."

See [for instance]:

http://www.colorado.edu/physics/phys1120/phys1120_fa09/LectureNotes/Voltage.pdf

you asked:

“Where does the power come from?”

As you see from above articles the voltage it is not "a power" but the work of the force exercised on an unit charge by the electric field on the distance between 2 points of a circuit.

The power is the voltage multiplied by current which is zero [in open circuit case].
 
I went through the second link but still didnt understand why the voltage drop across inductor leads capacitive current by 90 degrees. if anything the inductor must cause a lag in phase.
 
Icapacitive Xinductive.jpg

The line current- if the end is open and no other load current will flow through- it is only the leakage capacitive

current [neglecting the current through air insulation].

If I [line current] is inductive or capacitive [it does not matter] I*jXL will be 90o leading the current any way.

But, since the current leads the voltage Vr you’ll need to supply less Vs in order to get the same Vr. That means

for the same Vs you'll get more Vr[see the sketch].
 
Thanks. That's helpful. in inductor current lags voltage by 90 degrees, so voltage leads the current across it by 90 degrees. gave me a smile at how basic the answer was:)
 

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