Alternator connected to a long line

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of an alternator connected to a long transmission line, particularly focusing on the effects of the Ferranti effect and the implications of disconnecting the alternator. Participants explore the terminal voltage changes under different conditions, including no load and capacitive effects.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that when the alternator is disconnected, the terminal voltage should drop due to the capacitive nature of the long line, which behaves like a capacitor.
  • Others argue that the book's assertion that the terminal voltage remains unchanged due to the Ferranti effect is unlikely, questioning the validity of the explanation provided.
  • One participant notes that the highest voltages occur at the receiving end of the line, potentially leading to damaging over-voltages, and emphasizes the need for immediate action to prevent this situation.
  • Another participant discusses the armature reaction and its impact on terminal voltage, suggesting that removing the capacitive load would lower the flux and thus the terminal voltage.
  • Concerns are raised about the reliability of the textbook used, with suggestions to address potential errors with the publisher and the need for better resources.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the effects of disconnecting the alternator and the validity of the textbook's claims. Multiple competing views remain on the expected behavior of terminal voltage and the implications of the Ferranti effect.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights assumptions about the behavior of the transmission line and the alternator, including the nature of capacitive currents and the conditions under which the terminal voltage is evaluated. There are unresolved questions about steady-state versus instantaneous voltage changes.

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I think right answer should be A. Long line on no load is like capacitor so due to ferranti effect the terminal voltage is high. Now when alterator is disconnected the terminal voltage will drop to Ef

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Book says answer is D. It says due to Ferranti effect, terminal voltage does not change and field current decreases. that's the only explanation given.
Am I wrong or is book wrong?
 

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I agree. The capacitive current of the transmission line has no place to flow except back to the generator. No matter what the voltage regulator does, the current through the sending end breaker can not be zero prior to opening. So if we interrupt that capacitive current, the terminal voltage should drop instantaneously.

The only question should be, "Would the steady state terminal voltage be substantially different than the time 0+ voltage, while holding field voltage constant?" I would have to think about that. Ping @jim hardy.

Anyhow, option D sounds very unlikely.
 
I should add that the premise of the problem is unrealistic. It is the receiving end of the long line that will experience the highest voltages; potentially damaging over-voltages. Following radial load rejection, frequency also starts increasing rapidly driving receiving end voltage still higher. We would not allow that to persist until steady state before tripping the sending end breaker.

You just made me remember from 50 years ago, my first patent was for a device that diagnosed that situation and initiated an immediate trip.
 
Well it's a pretty safe bet the field gets DC so with constant field voltage one expects constant field current.

Capacitive load current on an alternator produces armature reaction MMF that reinforces the field MMF
so removing that capacitive load will lower flux, in turn lowering terminal voltage.

Is this the same textbook as in your other thread ?
My Mother-In-Law ( a great lady) was a textbook editor for a major publisher.
It is not uncommon for authors to have students write the study example problems .
My Mother-In-Law hired local graduate students to check them for her and she'd resolve mistakes with the author. (There was never a shortage of Grad Students needing part time work in New York City.)
I suggest you approach teacher, if you find the book is fraught with mistakes it reeks of sloppy authoring and editing. Your department head should lodge a complaint with the publisher and the department should go back to a better book.

That's my opinion..

If you find I'm wrong in my analysis please advise.

LATE EDIT see also https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/armature-reaction-drop.826513/#post-5191404
 

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