Question regarding inelastic collisions

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The discussion revolves around the properties of inelastic collisions, specifically focusing on the relationship between kinetic energy and momentum after such collisions. Participants explore various scenarios and conditions affecting the kinetic energy resulting from inelastic collisions.

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  • Some participants question whether the kinetic energy after an inelastic collision is equal to half the total momentum.
  • A later post corrects this by suggesting that the kinetic energy could be expressed as half the total momentum squared divided by the total mass.
  • It is noted that the final kinetic energy can vary depending on how inelastic the collision is, with the maximum being equal to the initial kinetic energy in the case of an elastic collision.
  • Participants discuss that the minimum kinetic energy occurs when the colliding objects stick together, which depends on the mass ratio and initial velocities, and is not simply half the initial kinetic energy.
  • One participant emphasizes that two equal masses with equal and opposite velocities colliding and sticking together results in zero kinetic energy.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between kinetic energy and momentum in inelastic collisions, with no consensus reached on the specific formulas or values discussed.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions of inelastic collisions and the conditions under which the kinetic energy values are derived. The discussion also highlights the dependence on specific mass and velocity ratios.

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Concerning inelastic collisions: Is it true the kinetic energy after the collision is equal to 1/2 the total momentum?
 
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CORRECTION:
Concerning inelastic collisions: Is it true the kinetic energy after the collision is equal to 1/2 the total momentum squared divide by total mass?
 
The kinetic energy has a range of values after the collision depending on just how inelastic the collision is.

The largest value the final kinetic energy could have would be equal to the initial kinetic energy, but this only happens in the limit that the collision becomes elastic.

The smallest value the final kinetic energy could have would be the kinetic energy if after the collision the particles stick together. This value depends on the ratio of the two masses, and the ratio of the two initial velocities. It is not simply half the initial kinetic energy (though I'd have to work it out to see if that's indeed the smallest possible value over all initial masses and velocities).
 
jfizzix said:
The smallest value the final kinetic energy could have would be the kinetic energy if after the collision the particles stick together. This value depends on the ratio of the two masses, and the ratio of the two initial velocities. It is not simply half the initial kinetic energy (though I'd have to work it out to see if that's indeed the smallest possible value over all initial masses and velocities).

Two equal masses with equal and opposite velocities colliding and sticking together will yield zero kinetic energy.
(Think head-on SPLAT!).
 
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point taken!
 
Vector1962 said:
CORRECTION:
Concerning inelastic collisions: Is it true the kinetic energy after the collision is equal to 1/2 the total momentum squared divide by total mass?
In a perfectly inelastic collision, all the participants will stick together after the collision. The resulting momentum will be ##m_{tot}v_{cm}##. Yes, the resulting kinetic energy is ##\frac{1}{2}m_{tot}{v_{cm}}^2 = \frac{1}{2}\frac{(m_{tot}v_{cm})^2}{m_{tot}}##
 
excellent. thanks for all the reply's.
 

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