Question reguarding gravitational pull

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The discussion revolves around the gravitational force equation and its application to calculate the gravitational pull experienced by a person on Earth. Participants explore the implications of their calculations and the concept of gravitational acceleration, particularly in relation to general relativity and the constancy of gravitational force.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant initially questions the gravitational force equation, noting that their calculations yield an unexpectedly high value for gravitational pull when applying it to a person on Earth.
  • Another participant clarifies that a person with a mass of 70 kg experiences a weight of approximately 700 Newtons, suggesting that the gravitational force should align with expected values.
  • A third participant provides a calculation using the gravitational constant and Earth's mass, arriving at a value of approximately 9.83 kg m/s² for gravitational acceleration.
  • One participant expresses confusion regarding the constancy of gravitational acceleration, questioning whether it is dependent on mass.
  • Another participant points out the omission of the gravitational constant in the initial calculations and later confirms their corrected value of gravitational acceleration after incorporating mass.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether gravitational acceleration is constant or dependent on mass, as some express confusion and others clarify calculations without resolving the underlying questions.

Contextual Notes

Some calculations rely on approximations and rough figures, which may affect the accuracy of the results. There is also a lack of clarity regarding the implications of mass on gravitational acceleration.

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Hey there, firstly i'll just say to start I've not studied general relativity at all, and the answer to my question may lie there, but i'll ask anyway;

Well I was thinking about the gravitational equation;

F (1,2) = m1m2G/d²

However putting the Earth & a person in there gives an absolutely ridiculously high result, and yet we know for a fact that the pull of gravity on us is constant (10 ms ish), by just using really rough internet figures i get

(70 (mass of avg person) * 5.9 * 10^24 (earth mass) * G)/ 6377000^2 (dist from core - surface of the earth)

= 583 ish ms? A ridiculous answer

Any reason for this? I don't think I've gone much wrong, not enough to cause that :o

Thanks in advance for any help

Edit :JEEZ MEGA FAIL ON MY PART - F = MA, LAWLLLLL, diving by 70 gives a very good answer for gravity -

does this then mean that 9.8 isn't constant? And it is indeed dependent on mass, but it makes almost no difference whatsoever - sorry for failthread
 
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A person with a mass of 70 kg has a weight close to 700 Newtons on earth. That's the gravitational force exerted by the Earth on the person. Your method should give you a number close to that expected answer.
 
G m_earth / (r_earth)^2

= (6.67 X 10^-11 N m^2/kg^2) ( 5.98 X 10^24 kg) / (6.37 X 10^6 m)^2

= 9.83 kg m/s^2
 
So...it's not constant? :P Didnt really get the 2nd post
 
Chewy0087 said:
(70 (mass of avg person) * 5.9 * 10^24 (earth mass) * G)/ 6377000^2 (dist from core - surface of the earth)

Where are you incorporating G, which equals 6.67*10^-11?
 
Yeah sorry i forgot to edit the original post - i did get it in the end, just forgot to divide by mass xP, got 9.75 ish which is awesome considering the mega-rounding i did with the wiki figures, it's just really nice to see these awesome equations work using them yourself! Thanks guyz
 

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