Question: vector integral in non-orthog coordinates

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This discussion focuses on the application of the change of variables theorem in non-orthogonal curvilinear coordinate systems, specifically regarding the integral of the gradient of a function over a smooth boundary in Euclidean space. The user inquires whether the gradient operator needs to be converted or if the induced inner product should be utilized when transitioning to coordinates {\xi_1, \xi_2, \xi_3}. The conclusion drawn is that it is valid to express the integral in terms of Cartesian components, allowing for the simplification of the dot product. Additionally, the user questions the validity of recasting the gradient in the skew coordinate system while maintaining the inner product's diagonal nature despite off-diagonal metric coefficients.

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Hi, I think I have a relatively simple question. I'm not that strong in differential geometry at all so a shorter and somewhat heuristic answer might actually be more useful to me than a rigorous one.

Suppose I want to use the change of variables theorem on the following integral, where I will be changing variables into a non-orthogonal curvilinear coordinate system {\xi_1, \xi_2, \xi_3} to describe my domain. Assume Euclidian space, smooth boundary, etc.

\int_{\Gamma} \nabla u \cdot \mathbf{n} \ d\Gamma

I am used to doing this integral only in orthonormal coordinate systems, so my question is that when I change coordinate systems to {\xi_1, \xi_2, \xi_3}, do I need to convert the gradient operator and/or use the induced inner product in this new coordinate system?

It seems to me the answer would be no, because I can expand the vectors in their cartesian components and rid myself of the dot product that way.

\int_{\Gamma} \frac{\partial u}{\partial \xi_a} \frac{\partial \xi_a}{\partial x_i} \mathbf{\tilde{e_i}} \cdot n_j \mathbf{\tilde{e_j}} \ d\Gamma

Obviously in a cartesian frame, \mathbf{\tilde{e_i}}\cdot\mathbf{\tilde{e_j}}=\delta_{ij}

Giving

\int_{\Gamma} \frac{\partial u}{\partial \xi_a} \frac{\partial \xi_a}{\partial x_i} n_i \ d\Gamma

after which point I can change the differential to be w.r.t. \xi, have consistent area size, etc.

Is this valid? I feel like I got something for nothing.

Would it be equally valid to recast the gradient in the skew coordinate system along with the normal, giving
\int_{\Gamma} \nabla_{\xi} u \cdot n_j \mathbf{\tilde{g_j}} \ d\Gamma


And in this case, would the inner product still be diagonal and not some other bilinear form, even though the (skew) basis functions would have off-diagonal metric coefficients?

thanks for any help!
 

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