Questioning the Invertibility of a Linear Operator T

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the invertibility of a linear operator T and its implications for the transformation of orthonormal bases in finite-dimensional inner product spaces. Participants are examining the conditions under which T(B) remains an orthonormal basis when T is applied to an orthonormal basis B.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the proof in Friedberg's book regarding the claim that T(B) is an orthonormal basis, suggesting that the proof only establishes orthonormality without addressing linear independence if T is not injective.
  • Another participant agrees that T(B) need not be linearly independent if T is not injective and asks for clarification on the specific hypotheses about T made in the book.
  • There is a challenge regarding the assertion that any linear operator, including invertible ones, can send orthonormal bases to orthonormal bases, with a request for an explanation of why this might not hold true.
  • One participant asserts that if T is an invertible linear operator mapping finite-dimensional spaces, it must map a basis to a basis, but this does not guarantee that orthonormality is preserved unless the spaces are finite-dimensional.
  • A later reply clarifies that while an invertible linear operator can send orthonormal bases to orthonormal bases, it does not do so in general, providing an example of an invertible operator that transforms an orthonormal basis into a non-orthonormal one.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the conditions under which T(B) remains an orthonormal basis. There is no consensus on the implications of T's invertibility for the preservation of orthonormality.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the discussion hinges on the definitions and properties of linear operators, particularly regarding injectivity and the dimensionality of the spaces involved. There are unresolved questions about the specific hypotheses in the referenced theorem.

typhoonss821
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I have a question about the invertibility of a linear operator T.

In Friedberg's book, Theorem 6.18 (c) claims that if B is an orthonormal basis for a finite-dimensional inner product space V, then T(B) is an orthonromal basis for V.

I don't understand the proof, I think the book only prove that T(B) is orthonormal.

If T is not one-to-one, why T(B) is also linear independent?
 
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You're right.. T(B) need not be linearly independent if T isn't injective.

But what hypothesis on T does the book make exactly?

Because it is not true that any linear operator, even invertible ones send orthonormal basis to orthonormal basis.
 
quasar987 said:
Because it is not true that any linear operator, even invertible ones send orthonormal basis to orthonormal basis.

Could you explain why an invertible linear operator can't send orthonormal basis to orthonormal basis?
 
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?? You started by saying that you understood the proof that an invertible linear operator sends an orthonormal basis into an orthonormal basis. Now you are asking why that can't be true?

If T maps a finite dimensional space to a finite dimensional space and is invertible, then it maps a basis to a basis. If the spaces are not finite dimensional, that may not be true.
 
typhoonss821 said:
Could you explain why an invertible linear operator can't send orthonormal basis to orthonormal basis?

I'm not saying an invertible linear operator can't send orthonormal basis to orthonormal basis, I'm saying that it can, but in general, it wont.

Consider for instance T:R²-->R² given by T(x,y)=(x+y,y). It is an invertible linear operator that sends the orthonormal basis {(1,0), (0,1)} to the non orthonormal basis {(1,0), (1,1)}.
 

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