Questions about finding dBm values

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating dBm values from a sinusoidal source and analyzing the voltage ratio in a coaxial cable with specified loss. The subject area includes electrical engineering concepts related to power calculations and decibel measurements.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the conversion of power units from milliwatts to watts and the implications for calculating dBm values. There is also a focus on verifying the correctness of logarithmic calculations in the context of the given problems.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively questioning the accuracy of their calculations and the unit conversions necessary for the dBm formula. Some guidance has been provided regarding unit consistency, but there is no explicit consensus on the correctness of the original poster's calculations.

Contextual Notes

There is an emphasis on ensuring that power values are expressed in consistent units before applying the dBm formula, with specific reference to the conversion between milliwatts and watts.

Mohamed Abdul

Homework Statement



1. A sinusoidal source with RMS voltage V = 11Volts across a resistor R = 50Ohms, determine the dBm value. Hint: you will first have to determine the power delivered and then check the formula for dBm calculations.

2. A type of coaxial cable has a loss of 12dB/100m at some frequency. Determine the ratio of the input voltage to the output voltage for 100m of this cable.

Homework Equations



dBm = 10logbase10(P/1mW)
dB = 20logbase10(V/Vo)

The Attempt at a Solution



For the first one, I found power to be 2.42. I then put 10logbase10(2.42/1000) into my calculator and got -26.16.

For the second 1 I set 12 = 20logbase(V/Vo), divided both sides by 12, and got .6 = logbase10(V/Vo). I then took 10 to the .6 power and got 3.98.

I'm just wondering if my math is right; getting a negative answer for the first one doesn't seem right to me, and I'm unsure if I did the log properly for the second one.
 
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For the first question, you need to check your conversion of mW to W.

Your solution of the second question looks correct to me.
 
TSny said:
For the first question, you need to check your conversion of mW to W.

Your solution of the second question looks correct to me.
Wait do get things into standard units wouldn't I just divide by 1000 since there are 1000 mW in one Watt?
 
Mohamed Abdul said:
Wait do get things into standard units wouldn't I just divide by 1000 since there are 1000 mW in one Watt?
In the formula where you have P/(1 mW), you need to make sure the numerator and denominator are in the same units. So, either you can convert P to mW or you can convert 1 mW to Watts.

If you leave P in Watts, then you need to replace the 1 mW by its equivalence in Watts. 1 mW = ? W.
 
TSny said:
In the formula where you have P/(1 mW), you need to make sure the numerator and denominator are in the same units. So, either you can convert P to mW or you can convert 1 mW to Watts.

If you leave P in Watts, then you need to replace the 1 mW by its equivalence in Watts. 1 mW = ? W.
So I'd be dividing by .001 then, thank you for that.
 
Mohamed Abdul said:
So I'd be dividing by .001 then, thank you for that.
If you mean that you would end up dividing P by .001, yes.
 

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