Questions about the Voyager spacecraft

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the Voyager spacecraft, specifically addressing concerns about potential collisions with celestial bodies, the feasibility of faster spacecraft alternatives, and the challenges associated with spacecraft propulsion in the vacuum of space. Participants explore theoretical and practical aspects of spacecraft speed, propulsion mechanisms, and the limitations of current technologies.

Discussion Character

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  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express concern about the possibility of celestial bodies colliding with the Voyager spacecraft, noting that while it is possible, it is not an immediate concern.
  • There is a question about whether there are alternatives to the Voyager spacecraft that could achieve speeds of 100 kilometers per second, with some participants highlighting that significant acceleration in empty space remains an unsolved engineering problem.
  • Participants discuss the limitations of propulsion in space, emphasizing that rockets do not require a grip on anything, as they operate based on the reaction force from expelled material.
  • Some participants mention that missile systems utilize a mass reduction mechanism to achieve acceleration, questioning if this could be applied to spacecraft, while others point out that fuel limitations ultimately constrain spacecraft performance.
  • Ion drives are discussed as a more efficient propulsion system compared to chemical rockets, with participants noting their low thrust and long acceleration times, which may be suitable for deep space travel.
  • There is a discussion about the speeds of ejected ions from ion thrusters, with some participants providing estimates and noting that ion thrusters do not require an atmosphere to function effectively.
  • Some participants argue about the relationship between kinetic and gravitational potential energy in the context of spacecraft motion, particularly regarding the effects of gravity assists and the mechanics of orbital motion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a variety of viewpoints regarding spacecraft propulsion and the feasibility of faster alternatives to Voyager. There is no consensus on the best approach or solution to the challenges presented, indicating that multiple competing views remain.

Contextual Notes

Limitations in the discussion include unresolved mathematical steps related to fuel requirements for acceleration, as well as differing interpretations of propulsion mechanisms and their implications for spacecraft design.

  • #31
abdossamad2003 said:
To travel to interstellar space requires the final speed and highest speed without return and slow down.
I read this and was planning a reply. A dismissive polite reply has been made, pointing out that it's largely nonsense except for as an incremental step (one further than Voyager). But a very useful mission could be throwaway. It would need a massive robot laboratory and a seriously big transmitter to return a vast amount of data - and a selfie with our first extra-terrestrial.
Missions within the Solar System would benefit from a return trip - not just with humans but with retrieved material. I don't really subscribe to the urgency of sending humans everywhere. From the high success rates of modern robot systems, I have to conclude that they are far far better value. Also they don't have the public trauma when space travellers die in service; robot fails don't have to lead to a halt in the flow of finance for space investigations.
 
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  • #32
phyzguy said:
How would you propose to launch a spacecraft weighing 10^9 kg into space?
I'm more impressed with a mass ratio of 1 to 1000000.

Also even if we assume no payload, hand wave away the mass of the structure and tanks and use all the dry mass for ion engines and electricity generation that will be one amazingly slow accelerating rocket.
 
  • #33
"Ah, but we're going at night!"
 
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