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The discussion revolves around the evaluation of various statements related to control systems in electrical engineering, particularly focusing on on-off temperature controllers and proportional controllers. Participants analyze the truthfulness of specific claims and explore the implications of different control modes.

Discussion Character

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  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that an on-off temperature controller must have an error signal input to function, while others question how the controller would know when to switch if this is false.
  • There is a claim that oscillations in the controlled variable occur due to time delays in switching the correction element, with some participants suggesting both statements regarding time delays are true.
  • Participants discuss the implications of steady state errors in different control modes, with one participant noting a contradiction in the answers provided for related questions.
  • There is uncertainty about the definition and role of a correction element in the context of the controller, with some participants suggesting it is responsible for the on/off signaling.
  • One participant expresses confusion about the relationship between the terms proportional, integral, and derivative in controller design.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the truthfulness of specific statements, particularly regarding the functioning of controllers and the definitions of terms used. There is no consensus on several points, and some contradictions are noted in the responses.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of definitions for "controller" and "correction element," indicating that the interpretation of these terms may affect the validity of the statements discussed. There is also mention of potential confusion regarding the roles of different control modes.

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Hi all
can please help me
Decide whether each of these statemtents is true of false

1 ) An on-off temperature controller must have

A ) An error signal input which switches the controller on or off (False )
B ) An output signal to switch on or off the correction element ( true )
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2 ) Oscillations of the variable being controlled occur with
on -off temperature controller becuse

A There is a time delay in switching off the correction element
when variable reaches the set value (True )
B) there is a time delay in switching on the correction element
when the variable falls below the set value . (False )

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3 ) with a proprtional contoller
A ) the controller output is proportional to the error (True )
B ) the controller gain is proptioal to the error (False )
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4 )
A steady state error will not occur when there is a change to
the set value with a control system operating in the mode
A) proportional
B) proportional plus derivative
C)derivative
D) proportional plus integral

The answer is C
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5 ) With a controller operating with a derivative control mode

A) the controller output will be constant when the error is constant (False)
B ) the controller output will be zero when there error is constant (True )

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though i don't know the context, level of detail, system you've been studying etc...
heres a few pointers.

1 ) An on-off temperature controller must have
A ) An error signal input which switches the controller on or off (False )
if that statement is false, how does the controller know when to switch?

A There is a time delay in switching off the correction element
when variable reaches the set value (True )
B) there is a time delay in switching on the correction element
when the variable falls below the set value . (False )
I think those two statements must be equivalent, I would be very surprised if they could have opposite, uh, truthfulnes to each other.

4 )
A steady state error will not occur when there is a change to
the set value with a control system operating in the mode
A) proportional
B) proportional plus derivative
C)derivative
D) proportional plus integral

The answer is C
can you see that your answer here contradicts your correct answer to 5? they can't both be true.
 
Hi earlofwessex

for controller , Is only send the signal to correction element and correction element responsible for the on/off ؟

This is what I thought !

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For Q 2 both is true because there is lag

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For Q 4 is proportional mode ??
 
to be frank, I have no idea what a correction element refers to in this case.
any controller must be either open loop or have feedback (or feed-forward, but that is unlikely to be the only form in this case), a bang-bang controller working in open loop mode would be the equivalent of a (human controlled) switch, and probably wouldn't be classed as a controller at all. the answer to question 1 largely depends on the given definitions for "controller" and "correction element". I suppose if the wording were interpreted literally the statement would imply that the controller itself was being switched on or off, ie, active or redundant, which would make no sense whatsoever.

the answer to 4 is simple, do you know what each term (proportional, integral, derivative) does individually? why would we introduce these concepts into a controller design?
 

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